Maybe it is a new kinda of theory. Like...fish control of lives and we are really in a giant fishbowl. Or, know, he could be another one of the kids that just can not spell.
I'm inclined to think both. My puny human brain can not comprehend the creation of the universe. But evolution seems to makes sense to me. Heck we see bacteria and viruses evolving in our world today. I was thinking, what if a higher being(s) created everything and have watched it develop. Or maybe evolution happens because the higher being(s) are still working with their own creations.
Yeah, I can see that. Unfortunately a lot of it doesn't really keep my attention or interest me all that much. I've been theorizing religion and what not ever since high school (in my own head, not openly) Up to that point I was a devout Jesus follower. I'm content with thinking about all the what ifs 'cause it doesn't seem like any religion or theory is ever going to completely convince me.
If there is an afterlife, I'll find out then. And if not, then it's no big deal 'cause my thought process will be over with any way.
I am a christian and I don't believe the creation stories (fully). After all, they were written by a bunch of priests that stole the story from a polytheistic story and polytheist pre-jews. I believe more in the message sent out. In the bible, all of genesis is at least questionable. The most important parts are the books of wisdom and the new testament. Just read deuteronomy 7 and you will know. Even genesis has incidents of incest, slavery, and others. My current scripture teacher's favorite bible quote: 2 Kings 2: ( I am unsure of the verses. The story is curse of the profit.) We must remember that the bible is the word of God through humans. We don't have a single extant original manuscript. We only have copies of copies of copies of copies etc.
I am sorry for sounding insulting to polytheists out there. I only meant to stress the fact that the creation stories were of polytheistic origins, and that christianity is a monotheistic religeon. I only realzed this after reading what I posted.
really... none of us know, but i don't believe we just came out of no were, i think some higher power had to start the evelution off at least..... and i am a christian and do believe in god
Exactly what I said. We do have proof (hard cold proof) that organic materials can be made from light and gas, and prof that evolution did and still happens. The one thing that seperates us from mon. On more than one planet. But someting needed to create all this universe, and that was God. I believe he rules not Earth, but every planet with life on it, and even without. Believing we were created specifically by God the way described is ridiculous.
Why does something need to have created the universe? Causality is not a straight line at all; just look at evolutionary patterns, biological behaviorism, or even much of the physical world. The problem is that people need something to have started the motion of particles that would become the universe. Energy itself can be transferred into matter, and matter can in turn be transferred back into energy. There is your beginning, but it is not causal. It doesn't have to be. Again, causality is simply an interpretation of events. Even with the most simple events, causality breaks down (I can go into more depth if needed). The questions that theists try to solve by the introduction of god simply raises more questions. If you are needing god to "cause" the universe to begin, it still leaves the question of what "caused" god. They typical answer is "he is infinite, he has always been there" but that means that you're just choosing to ignore your own premise of causality. Why does god get special treatment? Why doesn't god need a cause? There are certain things about the universe that we don't understand, but physics is getting us much closer to those answers than a god ever could.
Moegreche, I don't know if I can really grasp what you had to say about Descartes. I find it hard to really take seriously anything he had to say concerning God, because I don't know if what he wrote about is actually what he though. By that, I mean he probably didn't fully say what he had philosophized because he did not want to get brought down and murdered by the church, like what happened to Galileo.
Descartes was trying to geometrically prove god's existence. He was also trying to devise a system of reasoning so that he would never be wrong. I wasn't really going anywhere with the Descartes thing, just presenting some arguments for creation and causality. I reject both concepts, however.
what came before energy? how did energy form? what type of energy was it?
Can you answer those two questions? If you cannot, then you are looking at an open discussion. I believe that god was the starting power. It is not the same god (I'm a.ssuming) you think of as a anthropomorphized creature, but rather a term for the keeper of existance (In my opinion.) I am christian, but that does not mean I belive everything. I believe in Jesus Christ, and in God. How I do so is my twist.
