I believe anything is possible. There are just so many possibilities of our existence..buts its focused into these two because they are the ones who were payed most attention to, and their walls were strengthened. So evolution seems stronger then it is.
There are no facts to creationism nor evolutionism yet the theory of evolutionism comes into minds more familiar because it doesn't give way to there is an almighty being watching down on you all the time! Although when Darwin was at the galapagos or jamacan (i forget which!) He found many species he didn't recognize and they were perfectly equipped to co-exist in the environment with the other animals, ugh the discovery channel show slipped my mind....I do remember that he overlooked the turtles. On one island there were turtles with low shells and they could plow through forests. On the other island their shell was very high and let them be able to reach with their long necks to get to food.
Now you could just say "but god made them that way in the first place!" Try to think of it as..like this: You dampen two sponges and leave it in a humid environment and a very dry environment. Then leave for 5 days. When you come back one will be different than the other because it had to adjust to the environment it was in. You could also point the finger at this situation as "God made them that way in the first place!" Then again you knew at first it was wet, which leads to in real-life fossils we uncover!
@Apocalypse, we think along the same lines. I don't see it as half and half, but they are both together.
@Graham, yes there are facts for evolution. It is proven that humans have elvolved from primates, so that is one fact. Not just humans from primates, but alot of other animals have distant ancestors, thousands of years ago.
Creationism doesn't have many cold-hard facts, but things to think about. How did everything get to how it is today? Everything had to come from something.
Then where did God come from? << Im sure someone will ask that so let me answer.
What is God? God is something out of this universe. You see, God could have come from his momma, his daddy or he may just be there.
Then why can't this universe just be there? Cause this universe consists of billions of things so perfectly put together. Our crazy brains think that they need a creator...
The phrase "everything must come from something" has become the philosophical equivalent of the La Brea Tar Pits or something. The most famous philosophers have wiggled their way in their and gotten stuck with no way out. The problem is in how we perceive the idea of "coming from something" and how that phrase is translated into a logical (as opposed to semantical) sentence. The way it is typically phrased is something like "everything must come from something." This leads to two general interpretations: 1) Something cannot exist without a cause, or 2) Nothing (or "nothingness" cannot be a cause
Both of these interpretations, even by themselves, don't really hold water since we don't understand either causality or nothingness on even a fundamental level. Try to use these as axioms or premises for an argument will surely make that argument fallacious. Indeed, the probability of our universe's existence (or at least our perception thereof) is precisely 1, since it is an event that has already occurred. Discussing the creation or trying to assume premises that beg the question of the universe's existence are also fallacious.
So think of our universe right now. How did the universe get to where it is today. Well, there is the Big Bang theory which I like to refer to. Gravity of different matter collapsing, blah, blah. So where did that matter come from. There must have been something to create that.
Also, if we want to talk about how life came to where it is, you might refer to the cell theory. Every cell comes from another pre-existing cell. Now where did the first cell come from? I have read theories of how nitrogen, and a strike of lightning produce something....I can't really remember it, but every cell had to of come from a pre-existing one.
@Drace. There is absolutely NO way to prove religion, but sooo many to go against. It is about faith in what you believe in. Yes, that does contradict a bit, but no need to disprove something that all of us know is impossible to prove. Now, everyone's brains aren't crazy to think that there must be a creator. Agnostics, Athiests, etc. don't believe in a creator. It's just what our religion tells us. In no way is it scientific, so it won't pose a great debate
The phrase "eveerything must come from something" is only true on Earth and what we seen.
We were always known that everything we'd seen came from something. Any product, if asked where did you get it, there would be a nice answer. Man tried to take the same level of thinking into something which requires a higher perspective of thinking.
Plus the whole thing is just ridiculous. Something had to be eternal, or so we say. I say this because there is a lot we don't know! David hume's theory says that we only form ideas from 1.. seeing things and 2. combining simpler ideas together. There is ALOT we have never seen and a whole lot of ideas we never came into contact with.
So whether if its the universe that was eternal or God. Why does it matter? The argument is pointless.
I am a creationist, in part. I believe that there may have been early hominids on Earth without greater intellegence. Then, either by a divine act or extraterrestrial encounter, greater intellegence was bestowed upon these hominids allowing for the development of tools. I do think it is possible for Homo-Sapiens to evolve, just not on Earth in the time we supposidly did. I believe we are in the image of another being, divine or alien.
The phrase "eveerything must come from something" is only true on Earth and what we seen.
Yes, that is true. We all suspect that everything has been hatched by something else and it only works on Earth.
Back to the Evolutionism and Creationism. Most Evolutionist think we come from monkeys, chimpanzee etc but where does the monkey come from? Well, I think they don't need to come from anywhere. Why can't monkey just appear out of no where then evolve into humans?
P.S. This topic is all about religion and opinion so I'm not against anyone.
"Now, everyone's brains aren't crazy to think that there must be a creator. "
We all thought there would be a creator at one point didnt we? I mean as kids we asked how the universe was made.
Plus athiests too kinda still think that, the theory is on how we were made...
Even if you want to argue that athiests dont this way, well thats ok. I can counter-argue that since they have thought about it long enough, they were able to change their thinking.
I don't really want to get into Athiesm, but to what I know, alot of Athiests just don't see it logical for a God, so that would include a "creator."
Of course kids asked this. We knew nothing about religion, philosophy, science, etc. We didn't really have a thought on things like that.
@Vitamins, why does it only work on Earth? There are most likely other places that have life in our universe, and celestial bodies, like other planets, don't just pop up if you want to use an actual scientific view. Things just don't pop up out of thin air.
@hellian, It has been proven that there were paleolithic people thousands of years ago, but we have also proven that new intelligence just doesn't occur in one minute. Studies over different skelotons show the size of the brain, and it has gradualy and steadily gotten bigger over thousands of years. It is also in our genes to adapt to our surroundings. Nomads would follow buffalo and other animals for food, but they started to adapt to their environment, and slowly settle down, to grow crops, learn to use tools, etc.
