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im just opening this topic so that people can have a NICE, FREINDLY place to talk about their beliefs, i Myself believe in evolutionism
Belief in a creator is a personal decision based on one's own experience. Their decisions to choose creation over random chance doesn't have to involve any preconceived notions.
It's really late. I stayed up late to watch if the BP guys would stop the oil, and it didn't really look like they did, but who knows.
Anyways, all it begins with is a rejection of the preconceived notion that the laws of physics and all the stuff came from nothingness as a result of random chance.
Anyways, all it begins with is a rejection of the preconceived notion that the laws of physics and all the stuff came from nothingness as a result of random chance.
And they aren't saying the laws of physics come from nothingness, it comes from the formation of spacetime which came from an expansion of matter/energy.
The Law of Expansion had to pre-exist matter/energy in order for it to respond. Uh-oh. Now suddenly the magical land of No-Time has time.
You just said that you thought creationism was formed from preconceived notions. I just gave you an example of how it can be formed without preconceived notions. Rejecting random chance as a start for a meaningless Universe follows through by my rejecting random chances in Life's creation.
Wow, your so mature. You make all these stupid mistakes and try to cover up by putting a huge geeky star trek thing up to intimidate me. It's really stupid of you.
First of all, you were never addressing ME about MY opinion on evidence?
The first time on page 108 was in the midst of the point whether evolutionism could be used or not. You asked it in a general way, "Where is the evidence for creation?" You didn't ask ME for MY opinion. And I answered in a general way about the US Supreme court.
On page 109 you didn't seem to understand the use of the Supreme court example, so I had to explain it. That their conclusions weren't drawn first, but only after they weighed the evidence.
Later you asked "again what evidence" and continued on the Supreme Court talking about THEIR preconceived notions. I answered that THEIR decisions didn't have to involve preconceived notions.
This is when you asked your first question directly to me, and it's about preconceived notions:
Show me the evidence that points to a creator creating everything as is instead of things evolving over time without first having a belief in a creator.
Provide evidence for creation rather then species evolving. Can you do this?Notice that you took away the part about preconceived notions cause you lost on that point.
Rejecting random chance as a start for a meaningless Universe follows through by my rejecting random chances in Life's creation.
I'd say I'm like half and half because I don't really believe that we just came out of no where but I still believe in God. So yeah..
God made the laws of Science. God made the Big Bang. It's easy to come up with some solutions; after all where is the evidence against such an idea let alone for it? I like to leave this area of History alone - it's not ours to meddle with. I don't think anyone can truly know the truth. You all state your arguments and counter-arguments but there will always be a problem in even the best.
I think it's best if we leave this Science versus God, Evolution versus Creationism alone. It only causes conflict. Personally, I believe strongly in God but at the same time I an a keen Evolutionist. I am concerned with some of the issues both cause like taking the Bible's take on creationism and Adam & Eve too literally (although if you've played Assassin's Creed 2 you'd know there are other theories ) but also problems and holes with Macro Evolution (trust me, I've done my research).
Anyway, I'm not going into any more details. Please though, don't judge me on what I believe.
@TriggerFish
Evolution vs. Creationism is not equivalent to Science vs. God. You can believe in science and God at the same time.
As human beings, we want to learn everything. We have to study, because how will we learn if we don't?
I don't think anyone can truly know the truth.
Could you creationists please move away from 'goddidit' and start providing some hard evidence. At the very best so far you've been trying to refute the flood of evidence for the Theory of Evolution. Perhaps you could provide some actual evidence in the support of your side of the argument? pretty please?
I believe in Creationism.
Could you creationists please move away from 'goddidit' and start providing some hard evidence. At the very best so far you've been trying to refute the flood of evidence for the Theory of Evolution. Perhaps you could provide some actual evidence in the support of your side of the argument? pretty please?
a NICE, FREINDLY place to talk about their beliefs.
My evidence is found throughout this topic - look at the examples that ThisIs and Mage have provided. I see no reason why that evidence can't be mine as well. as for my own contribution to this?
Here ya go - [url=http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Common_descent]
I wonder why so many people have trouble with bbcode...
Here's the fixed link.
Glad this thread hasn't degenerated like so many other religious ones.
I prefer evolution btw, big surprise amirite?
Thanks for that. Also, I think there has been some degeneration but the thread bounces back to its full glory after it hits rock bottom.
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