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thepunisher93
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This article states that Shkil Afridi, the man who helped CIA in locating Osama Bin Ladin Has been imprisoned for 30 years on charges of treason.
I think he deserves it for co-operating with CIA without consent from Pak govrn and it will help deter other people like him.
What are your thoughts?

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partydevil
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He really ought to be a hero to anyone who is against terrorism, or atleast al-Qaeda


in reality he was a spy. if he wanted to or not his actions made him a spy of the usa.

his work for the CIA involved setting up a fake vaccination program to gather DNA to confirm Bin Laden's prescence


how is this not spy work?

I'm reminded of when NATO bombed Serbia in the early '90s. Since they didn't have authorization from the UN Security Council, it was an illegal act of aggression. But the bombing brought a swift end to the conflict


maybe the usa thought it was all over. but in fact was the country still in a state of war for several years after.

your so called doing good. made the lives of those people worse for years and years.
you want to to like you because you call yourself their hero
but what they feel is the pain you caused and will never be able to like you.

all the wars your country is doing for the so called godd. only makes you having more enemies then ever befor.

And how do you suppose the supplies got to the trucks? You can't drive trucks over an ocean.

you believe all the supplys come from the usa directly?
beside transporting by ship is much cheaper then transporting by plane.

if we did cross your airspace, what would you do about it?


they are allowed to shoot you down.

Just like you shot down those Blackhawks back in May of last year, right? And have you forgotten allready that the US has your F-16s on 24-hour surveillance? The moment the jets are scrambled for an intercept, we'd know about it.


you think other countrys will allowe the usa to travel in their airspace while they say you are not allowed to do?
do you realy think your the boss of the world?

i'm kinda done whit you already. you only made a few posts on this forum but i can see your just another 1 of those usa propaganda suckers.
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AMerica simply can't afford another war.


America can afford a war. America can't afford to nation build like it does/did in Iraq and Afghanistan.

and also our economy was kind of recovering and getting independent but.............


Good economies don't need economic aid buddy. Thats common sense. If your economy was so strong, then why does the US continue to send billions of dollars in aid?

But its "for how long?"


Its been seven months now, and we're still going strong. And given Pakistan's demands to the US that must be completed before the route re-opens, I'd say that Pakistan is effectively out of the War on Terror.

????????????????????????????


The Department of Defense submits a budget for the Military to Congress, which is then put into the overall Federal Budget, which is then passed/failed.

Part of the Military's Budget is the Air Force's Budget. THe use of cargo aircraft, and the fuel required, and the pay for the pilots, etc, etc, would have been factored into the budget.

So using the cargo aircraft to transport goods into Afghanistan from various airfields would cost 'nothing', because the cost would have already been accounted for. Rather, it would cost nothing extra.

and if you still think he is innocent then this can only be chalked up to american ignorance and hypocrisy.


Am I really the ignorant one here? For starters, you're attacking me based on my nationality rather than my arguments. To put that into perspective, it's akin to me saying that, since you are Pakistani/Middle Eastern, you're dumb, stupid, and should do all of humanity a favor and go ahead and blow yourself up.

But I don't do that, because it's rude and racist, and generally bad form. Because in most civilized societies, people are weighed not by who they are or where they come from, but by what they bring to the table.

And I submit that that is what is different between us. So if you want to call me ignorant, fine, go ahead. But look in the mirror some time, and you might find true ignorance just a few inches away.

i guess you forgot the international law of airspace?


I'm being perfectly serious here, but since when has International Law stopped America? Guantanimo Bay "technically" violates the Geneva Convention, but it's still up and running. Land Mines are "technically" illegal under the UN Articles of War, but the US still uses them (Namely between North and South Korea).

if you do, they are allowed to shoot you down.


And then we are allowed to retalliate. Tit for tat buddy.

america is unable to get on whit the war for much longer when your military supplys are going to cost alot more. hack your already almost at the max. if pakistan becomes your enemy then you will get another financile crisis sonner. 1 where you wont be able to get money from other countrys to bail yourself out of it.


Thats a bit of a slippery slope you've strayed upon buddy. The US has shown that it's perfectly capable of waging mulitple wars/fronts both now, and in the past. Seeing as the US/NATO is withdrawing from both Iraq and Afghanistan, it wouldn't be all that difficult to simply move on to a conflict thats just next door.

In fact, if a US-Pakistan war went the same way as the 1971 Pakistan-India war, then the conflict would be over in record time. The only way the war could cost any large sum of money (larger than actually waging the conflict) would be if:

1) An insurgency developed, which is unlikely as nothing now or in the past indicates a significant part of the population would do that.

2) The US decides to nation build, which could only be known for certain if a conflict actually developed.

if he wanted to or not


Mens Rea, look it up. If he was coerced by the CIA to commit to certain actions, than he cannot be held accountable to those actions. Law 101.

in reality he was a spy.


Proove it.

how is this not spy work?


Because for starters, this isn't Hollywood. Surprisingly, the CIA you see in the movies bears little resemblance to the CIA of reality. Next, spying would imply that he did some harm to the Pakistani government. IE, he stole information, or bribed someone, etc, etc.

But taking out a dangerous terrorist, and one who the Pakistani Government was officialy at war against, would be GOOD. And you cannot justify throwing someone in prison for doing something good.

your so called doing good. made the lives of those people worse for years and years.
you want to to like you because you call yourself their hero
but what they feel is the pain you caused and will never be able to like you.


In the 90s there was a TV show called 'Everyone Hates Chris'. And one of the funniest scenes, I think, from the show was when Chris and his sister got in a fight:

Sister: "Mom! I was trying to break Chris' arm and he slapped me!"
Mom: "Chris! Go to your room!"

Now, let me adapt your statement about Serbia to this dialoguge:

Serbian Soldier: "Partydevil! I was commiting genocide and then these Americans bombed me!"
Partydevil: "America! You stink!"

Ethnic Cleansing, may I remind you, is illegal. Very illegal. And those that are found guilty of it are either sent to jail for the rest of their lives, or executed (Case and point: The Nuremburg Trials). Now, you said that America made everyone's lives worse by bombing. And that may be true... If you were the recipient of the bombs. But if you were a Muslim, or a non-serb, or a minority, then you would be pretty happy that someone was finally retaliating against the people who had been trying to kill you, and your family, and every one like you. Not because you had done something wrong, but simply because you existed.

FACT CHECK: You said that the conflict went on for years after the bombings. However, the NATO bombing campaign took place in 1995. Oddly enough, the Bosnian War ended in the same year... But nice try though. Not.

all the wars your country is doing for the so called godd. only makes you having more enemies then ever befor.


Let us take a brief sojourn through history:

1917: America joins WWI, and helps British and French forces to stop the renewed German Offensive. France is saved, and Germany defeated.

1942-1945: Various peoples living in the Pacific rim are liberated from Imperial Japan by American Forces.

1943: Led by General Mark Clark, American forces liberate the Italian Peninsula from Nazi forces.

1944: America leads Operation: Overlord, the Allied Effort to liberate Northwest Europe (namely France). The Operation ends several months later with Allied Forces crossing the Rhine River. France is liberated from the Nazis.

1945-1942: An American Military Presence, coupled with economic aid, allows West Germany and West Berlin to become highly successful nations. This bleeds over when Germany becomes the most financially secure member-nation in the EU. After all, where do you think most of the money came from to bail out Greece, Italy, and Spain? The sky?

1949: America recognizes Israel as a sovereign nation, beginning 70+ years of friendship.

1950: American Forces fight against Communist Forces to a draw, saving the people of the southern half of the penisula from living under the oppressive yoke of Communism.

1991: The American-lead international coalition liberates Kuwait from Iraqi forces.

2001: The people of Afghanistan are freed from Taliban rule, and a democratic state is set up.

2003: The American-lead coalition liberates the Iraqi people from the Dictator Saddam Hussein, and the first free elections are held in the country in over 40 years.

And this doesn't include, say, the relief sent in 2004 to Indonesia/Pacific after the Tsunami, or relief sent to Haiti after the 2010 Earthquake. Or the military and economic aid sent to Pakistan. ^^

Because last time I checked, the Germans, Italians, French, Haitians, Indians, Indonesians, Israelis, South Koreans, etc, etc, were actually pretty fond of America. And not to overlook one crucial fact: You =/= The World.

Yep. America is a horrible country, filled with self-centered demons. Yep.

you believe all the supplys come from the usa directly?
beside transporting by ship is much cheaper then transporting by plane.


The vast majority of supplies, and the most important supplies, come directly from the US, or American companies.

Ships can't go on land, and Afghanistan is land locked. Iraq is effectively land locked as the Euphrates and Tigris aren't deep enough to accomodate large transport ships. Pakistan has ports, but in a hypothetical war that might be a problem for a day or two.

they are allowed to shoot you down.


The question isn't so much if they are allowed to shoot us down, but, can they even shoot us down.

do you realy think your the boss of the world?


I don't like the word 'boss'. 'Policeman of the World' has a better ring to it, I think. But hey, it's all the same.

i'm kinda done whit you already. you only made a few posts on this forum but i can see your just another 1 of those usa propaganda suckers.


This isn't US Propaganda; This is basic history and well-known world events. And you are a fool if you think they are one and the same.

From the two posts I've seen from you, I can assure you the feeling is mutual.
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America can afford a war. America can't afford to nation build like it does/did in Iraq and Afghanistan.


so you want only the war?
leave out the only good part (that mainly is done by other nations then usa) the usa does?
your even worse then the current and past governments.

I'm being perfectly serious here, but since when has International Law stopped America?

how long do you think you can keep doing it? especialy in the new age whit i-net where information is available for every1.
you get less trusted every time you do. not only in the countrys you do it but all people around the world will see usa go outside his line again and again.
you see why your country gets more enemies every day now?
this attitude of you and the usa are the cause for it.

between North and South Korea

are they still placing there or are they still in the ground from the past? and and link to proof for this plz.

And then we are allowed to retalliate. Tit for tat buddy.

you are not because you crossed the line by flying in their airspace while you were not allowed.
you crossed the line 1st and had to pay for it.

by your logic people can sue the government for having to sit in prison 20 year for a murder they did. because they were not available of having a free life.
and thats just BullCrap

The US has shown that it's perfectly capable of waging mulitple wars/fronts both now, and in the past.


usa is also showing a 15.7 trillion debt now.(and growing) just 1.3 trillion left untill your economic rating will go down in big steps.
and others nations will stop renting you big amounts of money the do now. and when you keep growing your debt eventualy stop renting you the money untill youve paid us all back.
if your going to start a war it will cost your country so much that it almost certaily will hit the 17 trillion mark and probably even gets way over it.
aka another financial crisis. but this time the usa government and not the banks.

if a US-Pakistan war went the same way as the 1971 Pakistan-India war, then the conflict would be over in record time.


you know that 1971 is a compleet different time then 2012 right?
ofource it doesn't go the same way.

Mens Rea, look it up. If he was coerced by the CIA to commit to certain actions, than he cannot be held accountable to those actions. Law 101.


your law not their law. your not the boss over them.

pying would imply that he did some harm to the Pakistani government.

doesn't have to. i remember there was a convicted spy in the 1980's that was spying on or for microsoft.

But taking out a dangerous terrorist, and one who the Pakistani Government was officialy at war against, would be GOOD. And you cannot justify throwing someone in prison for doing something good.

this is about the only good point your having.

Serbian Soldier: "Partydevil! I was commiting genocide and then these Americans bombed me!"
Partydevil: "America! You stink!"

that was the 1st deed. then you left and the country still was in state of war for a year of 2 / 3.

you would be pretty happy that someone was finally retaliating against the people who had been trying to kill you,

not when these people also start to kill inocents. this time not by usa but a crazy general from my own country that was send there as a peacekeeper. but he was able to because the country was still in chaos.

And this doesn't include, say, the relief sent in 2004 to Indonesia/Pacific after the Tsunami, or relief sent to Haiti after the 2010 Earthquake. Or the military and economic aid sent to Pakistan. ^^

the entire world gave aid not just you. no need to brag about it your not special.

btw your leaving a gap between 1950 and 1991? hahaha thats just funny. about 20 wars belong in that gap. xD
i'm not going to explain my point here i have no time (or enoufg care) to do so.

Ships can't go on land


if airplanes are cheaper to fly. then why does over 80% of the world transport still happen by ship and truck?

I don't like the word 'boss'. 'Policeman of the World' has a better ring to it, I think. But hey, it's all the same.

your ideology is the reason why people around the world hate you and your government.


ow btw i'm not your buddy i disgus you.
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by ship and truck?


i mean ship and train/truck
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your ideology is the reason why people around the world hate you and your government.

ow btw i'm not your buddy i disgus you.

True
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so you want only the war?
leave out the only good part (that mainly is done by other nations then usa) the usa does?
your even worse then the current and past governments.


No where, in not litigation, in no international accord, does it state that a victorious nation must rebuild the defeated nation after the two engage in war. It is by the grace of the victorious that nation building occurs, not because it is demanded. For one who harps international law, you seem to know very little about it.

The fact that a faceless internet paramecium like you finds fault in me means absolutely nothing to me. Save your time, and keep your insults to yourself, or share them with people who actually give a ****.

how long do you think you can keep doing it? especialy in the new age whit i-net where information is available for every1.


Your point is? The only way this could come back to bite the US in the arse is if it begins a decline. If it's a sudden decline, then the US and the world is at the mercy of the new power. If its a sudden decline, then the world will just collapse. 24% of the world's GDP suddenly dissapearing can only lead to rampant collapse in this era of economic globalisation.

Besides, so what that more people know about it? Given the people who are likely to have internet access, the only thing that will change is that the same people will know about it sooner as opposed to later. It means absolutely nothing if they/you can't do anything about it.

are they still placing there or are they still in the ground from the past? and and link to proof for this plz.


They were placed in theKorean Demilitarized Zone by US and ROK forces. In fact, the failure of the ottawa Treaty to list the DMZ as an exception was one reason that kept the US from signing it.

you are not because you crossed the line by flying in their airspace while you were not allowed.
you crossed the line 1st and had to pay for it.


Doesn't matter. Shooting down an airplane is an act of aggression; The standard fair for having aircraft stray into other countries airspaces is alerting that aircraft and then the nation of that aircraft. THe first order of business isn't to go straight to the trigger.

by your logic people can sue the government for having to sit in prison 20 year for a murder they did. because they were not available of having a free life.
and thats just BullCrap


Except that murder is an unjust violation of another's right to life. Flying an aircraft isn't. But nice try.

usa is also showing a 15.7 trillion debt now.(and growing) just 1.3 trillion left untill your economic rating will go down in big steps.


Much of that is from failed economic stimulus packages, not the war(s).

and others nations will stop renting you big amounts of money the do now. and when you keep growing your debt eventualy stop renting you the money untill youve paid us all back.
if your going to start a war it will cost your country so much that it almost certaily will hit the 17 trillion mark and probably even gets way over it.
aka another financial crisis. but this time the usa government and not the banks.


Nice slippery slope ya got there.

you know that 1971 is a compleet different time then 2012 right?


Of course it is. Which is why I used the word 'like' to imply a comparison between the two.

When you look at the military capabilities of Pakistan when compared to the military capabilities of the US, the conflict will go the same way at the 1971 war: a quick and embarissing defest for Pakistan.

ofource it doesn't go the same way.


Because Pakistan totally has a chance. Riiiiiiight.

your law not their law. your not the boss over them.


Amercian law, yes. Also International law, law recognized in almost every country, and a legal concept dating back to ancient Rome. And if history is anything to go by, the International Community can and will be the boss over a measely backwater nation like Pakistan.

that was the 1st deed. then you left and the country still was in state of war for a year of 2 / 3.


Because you are clearly ignoring the documentation I have provided that the Bosnian War ended in 1995, the same year as the NATO bombings, why don't you show me some proof to back up your claim?

doesn't have to. i remember there was a convicted spy in the 1980's that was spying on or for microsoft.


The very nature of spying implies harm to a nation; otherwise, it isn't spying. And since I lack the capabilities of delving into your memories, do you want to provide a link to your computer company mischief?

the entire world gave aid not just you. no need to brag about it your not special.


You missed my point entirely.

btw your leaving a gap between 1950 and 1991?


I knew your English was terrible, but I didn't know you also couldn't read:

Let us take a brief sojourn through history:

1945-1942: An American Military Presence, coupled with economic aid, allows West Germany and West Berlin to become highly successful nations. This bleeds over when Germany becomes the most financially secure member-nation in the EU. After all, where do you think most of the money came from to bail out Greece, Italy, and Spain? The sky?

hahaha thats just funny. about 20 wars belong in that gap. xD


The only thing funnier is your lack of knowledge. Want to show me the 20 wars America fought in between 1950 and 1991?

i'm not going to explain my point here i have no time (or enoufg care) to do so.


You also lack the intelligence and facts to do so. Just thought I'd throw that in.

if airplanes are cheaper to fly. then why does over 80% of the world transport still happen by ship and truck?


1) I never said that airplanes were cheaper. I said that they were faster, and more efficient.

2) Wanna provide a source for that statistic? After all, 74.3% of all statistics (or something like that) are made up on the spot.

your ideology is the reason why people around the world hate you and your government.


I had no idea I meant so much to the peoples of the world. I also had no idea that you could somehow read the minds of EVERYONE IN THE WORLD. This buddy, is called 'stereotyping', and it is when you assume that all members of a group fall into a certain description or belief.

I also find it humorous you have to insult me and my government to get your points accross. It speaks volumes about you, and your stance. My respect for both continues to diminish.
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Doesn't matter. Shooting down an airplane is an act of aggression; The standard fair for having aircraft stray into other countries airspaces is alerting that aircraft and then the nation of that aircraft. THe first order of business isn't to go straight to the trigger.

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Except that murder is an unjust violation of another's right to life. Flying an aircraft isn't. But nice try.

If such violations occur regularly and cause causalities (as in sallalla checkpost) and violating nation has been warned again and again and it is declared that any further aerospace violation will be met with violence, then shooting down that aircraft is just.(not that a nation can't shoot it down on sight with out going through proper channel, it will only cause a slight bump in international relations.)
all the above conditions have been met so, now if a US aircraft trespasses it will be considered an act of agression on every international forum and under every international law and we reserve the right to retaliate.
Because Pakistan totally has a chance. Riiiiiiight.

Do you know any thiing about 1971 war?
it was a revolution, even civilian population was against Pak army, it was like our veitnam.
When you look at the military capabilities of Pakistan when compared to the military capabilities of the US, the conflict will go the same way at the 1971 war: a quick and embarissing defest for Pakistan.

You should thank god that pentagon does not think like you, otherwise, if we would have been ruined, we would have taken you down with us.
Oh! why the hell am I talking to an idiot like you?
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If such violations occur regularly and cause causalities (as in sallalla checkpost) and violating nation has been warned again and again and it is declared that any further aerospace violation will be met with violence, then shooting down that aircraft is just.(not that a nation can't shoot it down on sight with out going through proper channel, it will only cause a slight bump in international relations.)
all the above conditions have been met so, now if a US aircraft trespasses it will be considered an act of agression on every international forum and under every international law and we reserve the right to retaliate.


Perhaps if Pakistan wasn't so willing to harbor terrorists, then there would be no need for combat aircraft to engage hostiles in or near Pakistani territory/air space. I see this as a problem not with America, but with Pakistan's ability to govern and control its own people.

Do you know any thiing about 1971 war?


That at 13 days, it's considered one of the shortest wars in human history? That is ended with Pakistan losing almost half of its economy and population? That it ended with a significant portion of Pakistan's army being held prisoner? That Pakistan suffered significant casulties when compared to India? And that India handed such a defeat using 1950's era Soviet technology?

it was like our veitnam


Except that, while America won militarily and lost demographically, Pakistan lost both militarily and demographically.

if we would have been ruined, we would have taken you down with us.


I thank God everyday that more people don't suffer as you do with szhiroprenia, lest more backwater nations and failed states think they can somehow win against the greatest military force since Ancient Rome.

Oh! why the hell am I talking to an idiot like you?


If I'm an idiot, then you are a degenerate. An ignoramous. A horrific mistake. Everyone who reads your posts are now dumber for the things you have said. May God have mercy on your soul.
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Oh! why the hell am I talking to an idiot like you?


well nothing to do then ignore this ignorand biggot.

plz. all rational americans take him as another example of why people think bad of the usa.
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plz. all rational americans take him as another example of why people think bad of the usa.


It's people like you why we don't really give a **** about our world image! NOTHING WE DO IN YOUR EYES IS RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!

So why try and please you? What do WE owe YOU?
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So why try and please you? What do WE owe YOU?


If you mean the world, lots of debt. If you mean Pakistan, I would say the relationship goes both ways.
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If you mean the world, lots of debt. If you mean Pakistan, I would say the relationship goes both ways.


I don't mean this in a monetary sense. I mean this by what actions would make is so that people like partydevil wouldn't hate our guts so badly. Nothing that we do is correct in his eyes, and in the eyes of many people around the world, and they always manage to put a negative spin on anything we do that is good. So what would it take, short of the U.S. going away into Lala Land and returning to isolationism (which would totally suck for about...the rest of the world), for partydevil to actually say, "Hey, I'm glad the U.S. stepped in here."
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I don't mean this in a monetary sense. I mean this by what actions would make is so that people like partydevil wouldn't hate our guts so badly. Nothing that we do is correct in his eyes, and in the eyes of many people around the world, and they always manage to put a negative spin on anything we do that is good. So what would it take, short of the U.S. going away into Lala Land and returning to isolationism (which would totally suck for about...the rest of the world), for partydevil to actually say, "Hey, I'm glad the U.S. stepped in here."



If the US wants to do so, it will only ultimately harm itself more than the rest, given that the economic focus of the world is going to shift to the East in the next few decades. We've seen isolation before and it's not a pretty sight.

Nonetheless, it's not hard to imagine why people don't view America with the same rosy lenses anymore; the constant warfare, intervention, overthrowing of legitimate governments if they don't fit into the US's vision, they all add up.
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the constant warfare


Afghanistan: Al-Qaeda had just launched 9/11 against us. We found that they had training camps in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. The Saudis took care of it for us. The Afghans, ruled by the Taliban at the time, did not. So we invaded in order to destroy the terrorists which attacked our country, and we also were able to get rid of the Taliban, allow basic human rights into the country, train its military, and do overall good. Yes, there were civilian casualties, like there are in all wars. Point me to one where there have been absolutely zero civilians killed. Yes, US soldiers committed horrible crimes, however that is not representative of the government OR the population of our country at all!
Iraq: Our government was given information by an insider in the Iraqi nuclear program that they possessed WMD. He lied. However, we did take down a dictator who massacred his own people, used chemical weapons on them, and also trained their military.

intervention


Libya: Gaddafi. He was bombing his own people, and then civil war broke out. We aided the rebels not only because we didn't like Gaddafi, but also because he was bombing civilian populations.

Syria: We have done nothing yet. If this is what happens when we do not intervene in international conflicts, than I'll intervene any day of the week.

overthrowing of legitimate governments


Cite.
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e Afghans, ruled by the Taliban at the time, did not.


US officials rejected a offer from the Taliban to hand over Osama bin Laden to a third country for trial if the Americans halted the bombing of Afghanistan. Nor is the invasion legal, because the attacks were not perpetuated by a state, which would allow UN intervention, but rather were perpetrated by groups of individuals or non-state actors, and that these attackers had no proven connection to Afghanistan.

Yes, US soldiers committed horrible crimes, however that is not representative of the government OR the population of our country at all!


Don't think it cuts much ice with the Afghans. If you see your family killed in a war, it's natural to paint the other side in broad black strokes.

Iraq: Our government was given information by an insider in the Iraqi nuclear program that they possessed WMD. He lied. However, we did take down a dictator who massacred his own people, used chemical weapons on them, and also trained their military.


Again, it does not give a nation the right to attack another. Saddam had no solidly proven links to al-Qaeda or WMDs as subsequent post-war reports concluded. In fact, the Iraqis had made numerous offers to allow inspectors into its country as it had before, but they were all rebuffed by Bush. Gen. Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, contacted the CIA to discuss such measures, but was again rebuffed. Iraq also attempted to reach the US through the Syrian, French, German, and Russian intelligence services. Nothing came of the attempts.


Cite.


Just a few.

1954 Guatemalan coup d'etat

1964 Brazilian coup d'état

1973 Chilean coup d'etat

1976 Argentine coup d'état

Overthrowing of the democratically elected Dominican leader, Bosch in the 1960s.

Bay of Pigs Invasion

The 1981-1990 Contras-Sandinista war in Nicaragua.

Overthrowing of Partice Lumumba's Congo government in the 1960s because he was believed to be a Communist.


So, to sum it up, it is this hypocritical nature of the US that has frustrated people around the globe; that the Americans think they can poke their noses into every country in the world if it doesn't suit their needs. It has toned down from the Cold War period where the US government could by its whim remove any leader they felt was a little too left, but the bitterness is still there.
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