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Posted Dec 18, '12 at 1:40pm

nichodemus

nichodemus

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Knight

Sure, your ideas of peace and prosperity for all mankind. Except for one flaw. We're men. The most of us like power, and what bigger portrayal of power than a gun? When pointing it at someone, loaded and safety off, you hold the power of killing them, or at least seriously hurting them, at the touch of a piece of metal.


Well that's true, to a certain extent laws in place do curtail such ''power''. But stricter criteria is definitely in order.
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 1:52pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,120 posts

It is an amendment in the constitution, no one, NO ONE, can take it away.

"ow holy constitution, your old and outdated. but we will love you whit all our might, so nothing will be updated."

They are impossible to get rid of. "Let's make guns illegal" is a stupid idea because voila, criminals are the only ones owning guns.

and so they are easyer to find and track.
finding the criminals befor they can use it.
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:06pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

Just out of curiosity, where do "criminals" get their guns from when private persons cannot obtain guns? Anyone knows? Because most criminals are not part of some kind of mafia that buys guns from Russia or whatever, I'm sure most of them takes profit, directly or indirectly (contact persons) of the right to buy guns as a civilian.

If they don't restrict the sale of guns in general, they should at least restrict owner specific stuff, like restricting the legal amount of guns one can possess to one or few, except unloaded collectioners pieces (not that I approve of collectioning guns, but it would make it easier to pass).

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:11pm

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,856 posts

Just out of curiosity, where do "criminals" get their guns from when private persons cannot obtain guns? Anyone knows? Because most criminals are not part of some kind of mafia that buys guns from Russia or whatever, I'm sure most of them takes profit, directly or indirectly (contact persons) of the right to buy guns as a civilian.

If they don't restrict the sale of guns in general, they should at least restrict owner specific stuff, like restricting the legal amount of guns one can possess to one or few, except unloaded collectioners pieces (not that I approve of collectioning guns, but it would make it easier to pass)

A lot of the rebuttals against guns answered:
http://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/860317.jpg

As for the asking of criminal guns, the black market, which can get everything from S&W 500s to tiger skins.

And the new gun laws, most countries possess things like that. Except the US.
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:14pm

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,856 posts

and so they are easyer to find and track.
finding the criminals befor they can use it.

While I wait a few years for an edit button, I'll elaborate a bit:
I don't think illegal guns will make criminals easier to track. Angry people, yes, but not better finding for the police.
"ow holy constitution, your old and outdated. but we will love you whit all our might, so nothing will be updated."

People like old laws. Then again, people like illogical things, gun ownership and old laws among them.
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:15pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,260 posts

Knight

Where do guns on the black market come from, who has access to it, how hard is it to obtain illegal guns?

I guess those are some questions not easily answered, but I'm tired of hearing "but criminals will then be the only ones with guns". I wanna know why exactly people think so and if it's justified.

 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:24pm

Masterforger

Masterforger

1,856 posts

Where do guns on the black market come from, who has access to it, how hard is it to obtain illegal guns?

I suggest Googling it, we're not international police.

Another reason for a want of guns is your avatar. Hunting is a popular sport, and it is usually done with guns.

I guess those are some questions not easily answered, but I'm tired of hearing "but criminals will then be the only ones with guns". I wanna know why exactly people think so and if it's justified.

Depends who the guns are illegal for. The world? Civilians? Civilians and police?
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 2:39pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,120 posts

I don't think illegal guns will make criminals easier to track.

as police you are going to look for a gun on the black market (or simply i-net these days) then you are going to buy that gun.
at that point you can arrest him. BUT. you keep the evidence for later. and your going to follow this dealers activity by following his computer and phones.
that way you automatically get people that want to buy a gun from this dealer that you can arrest for A. having a gun. B. whatever illegal stuff you can find about him.

if they had nothing els illegal why would he need a gun?

Where do guns on the black market come from, who has access to it,

it all drops down to those "gangs" or individuals that drive to russia and get them from there. in east europe there are allot of illegal weapon dealers that have guns from the communist period. + whit the corruption in those countries it wouldn't surprise me that some government officials sell it aswell.

Hunting is a popular sport, and it is usually done with guns.

hunting whit a (semi-)automatic assault rifle. what is the sport in that?
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 3:26pm

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

I guess those are some questions not easily answered, but I'm tired of hearing "but criminals will then be the only ones with guns". I wanna know why exactly people think so and if it's justified.

Mexico has fairly strict gun laws (160-163). Civilians can't legally own most firearms. This does nothing to stop cartels or other people who purchase illegal firearms (indeed there is a thriving market for unlicensed arms) but stops law abiding citizens from getting firearms that would be able to reasonably stop an assailant.
 

Posted Dec 18, '12 at 4:02pm

wolf1991

wolf1991

3,557 posts

UNALIENABLE RIGHT THAT ALL PEOPLE POSSES.


This. I wish to address this, and probably only this, we'll see.

I'm a Canadian, so my experience with guns is nonexistent, and Canadian culture is in many ways a reverse of American culture, point being, we're not gun fans for the most part.

Canada possesses a gun registry, however, the legisaltion enforcing this is laughable, but it does restrict the use of purchasable weapons by civilians.

But, back to what I wish to discuss. What makes something a "right"? Any country that declares a set of "rights" is in fact declaring a set of privledges which the government will allow its citizens to keep so long as the government decides to uphold them. These things can, and do, change. In 1982 the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms was created (we previously operated under British laws). This is the equivilant of your American constitution. The difference? The Canadian Charter has been revised a great many more times than the U.S Constitution.

Why is this important?

This is important to realize because it reveals that American society is too far hung up on a myth that they have idealized. Fact: The founding fathers were slave owners. The constitution was not written with everyone in mind, merely the white, and perhaps the wealthy, It is high time that Americans begin to focus on many of their outdated laws, especially the "right" to bear arms.

Mexico has fairly strict gun laws


Actually, I'll talk about this as well.

Mexico is actually an outlier in terms of strict gun control = increased violence. Also, simply because laws exist does not mean they are entirely enforced. Mexico is plagued with political troubles.

Japan also possesses strict gun laws, and their rate of gun violence is one of the lowest in the world.
 
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