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not believing means send to hell?

Posted Feb 9, '13 at 12:50pm

Kasic

Kasic

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so if i add logic to each religion i lose my faith?

The logical conclusion to religion is that it's stories passed down from generation to generation, which people truly believe, but have no legitimate evidence by which to prove it. That's what it boils down to, anyways.

you would not remember your past live/lifes after you reincarnated. i think that it could be a second chance for some sinners.

Which is why it would be wrong for karma to affect what you were reborn as or your station in life, as in Buddhism/Hinduism. Punishment without explanation is evil. It is nothing more than torture.

and when you try to confront them with that then they say they do it for the others. like the crusades or the burning of witches...

My point. They commit atrocities in the name of saving people, never realizing how monstrous that is. Not that I'm saying every religious person does this, but, here's my favorite line that demonstrates why I think the world would be a much better place without religion.

"I hope you burn in hell, you immoral atheist. Your arrogance in believing yourself above God is evil. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to save you and you deny that he did."

 

Posted Feb 9, '13 at 3:36pm

Deth666

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My point. They commit atrocities in the name of saving people, never realizing how monstrous that is. Not that I'm saying every religious person does this, but, here's my favorite line that demonstrates why I think the world would be a much better place without religion.

"I hope you burn in hell, you immoral atheist. Your arrogance in believing yourself above God is evil. Jesus Christ sacrificed himself to save you and you deny that he did."

I believe that it's all part of the human condition. Most humans don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Instead of saying "Well, he annoyed me so I caved his head in", It's a lot more easy to avoid responsibility and say "Well, he believed in a different invisible man in the sky than I do". If you say that then you have millions of people on your side. In some circles, you might even be considered eligible for sainthood. Humans are generally petty and like to delude themselves that they're actually good human beings (as if being human is a good thing). People like to come up with complex answers and evidence to support they're actions because it makes them feel better than looking in the mirror. It's not religions fault its humanity's. Being evil is easy but being good you have to work at, ever wonder why?

"What are we going to tell the Intergallatic Council of Ministers the first time one of our teenage mothers throws her newborn baby into a dumpster, huh? How are we going to explain that to the space people? How are we gonna let 'em know that the ambassador was only late to the meeting because his breakfast was cold and he had to spend half an hour punching his wife around in the kitchen? Or what are they gonna think when they find out that it's just a local custom that over eighty million women in the third world have had their clitoris forcibly removed in order to reduce their sexual pleasure so they won't cheat on their husbands? Can't you just sense how eager the rest of the universe is for us to arrive?"

 

Posted Feb 9, '13 at 3:43pm

Kasic

Kasic

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I believe that it's all part of the human condition. Most humans don't want to take responsibility for their actions. Instead of saying "Well, he annoyed me so I caved his head in", It's a lot more easy to avoid responsibility and say "Well, he believed in a different invisible man in the sky than I do". If you say that then you have millions of people on your side.

If only it were that simple. It's not a conscious decision they made. The people who do those things truly think they are right. That's why it's evil.

Humans are generally petty and like to delude themselves that they're actually good human beings (as if being human is a good thing).

They aren't deluding themselves. They legitimately think that what they are doing is right, for the large majority of them anyways.

People like to come up with complex answers and evidence to support they're actions because it makes them feel better than looking in the mirror.

Brainwashing isn't all that complex. Tell people something enough times, instill a reason to listen, and make the default response to every other view closing one's eyes and sticking their fingers into their ears makes for an easy zombie. Those zombies reproduce and make more zombies. Thus religion lives on.

 

Posted Feb 9, '13 at 4:29pm

Deth666

Deth666

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I'm just not convinced that religion isn't a convenient place to hide for evil and/or violent people. I'm not saying they aren't true believers.

 

Posted Feb 9, '13 at 5:21pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,590 posts

I'm just not convinced that religion isn't a convenient place to hide for evil and/or violent people. I'm not saying they aren't true believers.

Oh, I never said it wasn't convenient. Sorry if I gave that impression. It's just that they aren't using it -because- it's convenient. They truly believe what they're doing is right.

 

Posted Feb 9, '13 at 10:27pm

MageGrayWolf

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Knight

so if i add logic to each religion i lose my faith? i ask because i am not sure what i should believe anymore.

I think this image pretty much sums things up in that regard.

https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/149974_514371068615447_788911245_n.jpg

 

Posted Feb 12, '13 at 7:57pm

Blairlarson

Blairlarson

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Well not all religions think believing means send to hell. Some churches think that after we dies the people who did not believe will get another chance in the in the spirt It is before we get judge and everything. In this spirt world you will get the time to except the gospel. One church I know that believes in this The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints or called more often Mormons.

 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 10:10am

xAyjAy

xAyjAy

1,683 posts

Brainwashing isn't all that complex. Tell people something enough times, instill a reason to listen, and make the default response to every other view closing one's eyes and sticking their fingers into their ears makes for an easy zombie. Those zombies reproduce and make more zombies. Thus religion lives on.

sounds like something a dictator would do...

@MageGrayWolf great image, i added it to my collection.

Some churches think that after we dies the people who did not believe will get another chance in the in the spirt It is before we get judge and everything.

what happens when i still will not believe? will i then get send to hell just because i am not believing?

In this spirt world you will get the time to except the gospel.

how many time do i get in this world? sounds like i turn into a ghost to get the time to think about it. and when i refuse to accept that gospel then i can haunt other people?

 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 10:42am

MRWalker82

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We're all in hell already, ergo your belief (or lack thereof) is meaningless, as is this line of discussion. XD

 

Posted Feb 13, '13 at 10:47am

nichodemus

nichodemus

12,164 posts

Knight

We're all in hell already, ergo your belief (or lack thereof) is meaningless, as is this line of discussion. XD

C'mon, the recession isn't all that **** for most ahah.

 
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