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Posted Apr 18, '13 at 3:09am

Getoffmydangle

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What kind of person attacks a school? A woman with children? A hospital?

Re: the mental status or purpose...-->After sandy hook I read an article that made a ton of sense (apologies, i have no link, don't even remember where it was).  The author surmised that many shooting spree-type events are essentially a suicidal person backing themselves into a corner.  The mindset being:
"I want to off myself, but I'm afraid I won't be able to do it.  Therefore, I will kill/shoot/wound a bunch of other people so that I will HAVE to kill myself (because they won't be able to face/own up to what they just did)." 
The point being, there is at least some idea as to what the intention or reason is. 
Terrorism is a tactic (that causes terror) to accomplish something bigger than simply killing and maiming and traumatizing people.  They want to send a message, make a political statement, or wage a war.  The end-goal of the 9/11 attack was to incite the US into a resource-draining, endless war that would unite the muslim world against the western world.  The end-goal of that Norwegian guy was to (based on my incomplete understanding) make a statement about some racial supremacy thing.  The end-goal of people sending poison in letters to politicians is to make a political statement (or to enact political change by killing a politician).

So, I want to know who this D-Bag is that bombed a marathon, and I want to know why they did it. 

There's no such thing as different levels of insanity allocated to different targets.

There certainly are different levels of insanity.  Different levels of severity, different categories/groups/subtypes.  And not all terrorist acts are committed for the same reason.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 4:26am

nichodemus

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Knight

There certainly are different levels of insanity.  Different levels of severity, different categories/groups/subtypes.  And not all terrorist acts are committed for the same reason.

There are different levels of insanity, but not different levels of insanity that is attached to a person if he attacks a different target.

Terrorism is a tactic (that causes terror) to accomplish something bigger than simply killing and maiming and traumatizing people.  They want to send a message, make a political statement, or wage a war.  The end-goal of the 9/11 attack was to incite the US into a resource-draining, endless war that would unite the muslim world against the western world.  The end-goal of that Norwegian guy was to (based on my incomplete understanding) make a statement about some racial supremacy thing.  The end-goal of people sending poison in letters to politicians is to make a political statement (or to enact political change by killing a politician).

No, the end goal of the 9/11 attack was to rid the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia [A end always pursued by Osama] , a retaliation against U.S. support of Israel, and sanctions against Iraq, via an act so awful, so sudden and so unexpected that it would terrorise people into submission.

The end goal of Brevik was a response against what he saw as the dilution of Christian Europe against a tide of Muslim influences, via an act of terror such that it has never before been seen before in Norway. 

Terror is a tool for whatever purposes such people intend them to be, because terror is an effective psychological shock weapon. The end product and purpose can be worlds apart, but the tool, modus operandi and process itself has always been similar. Regardless of whether the perpetrator here was a Muslim fanatic, or a racist lone wolf, or a mental nutcase against taxation, I am going to answer your question as to why he targeted a marathon in a terror attack; to maximise the impact, to shock people with unconventional attacks.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 4:53am

partydevil

partydevil

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@partydevil:

why was that addressed to me? =S

not all terrorist acts are committed for the same reason

they all have the bottom line of causing terror. hence the name terrorist xD

Terror is a tool for whatever purposes such people intend them to be

but if you dont let yourself and your ideas known then what did the attack do?

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 5:04am

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

148 posts

This is splitting hairs, but you brought it up: 

No, the end goal of the 9/11 attack was to rid the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia

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war that would unite the muslim world against the western world.

What I said:

Terrorism is a tactic (that causes terror) to accomplish something bigger than simply killing and maiming and traumatizing people.

What you said:

Terror is a tool for whatever purposes such people intend them to be, because terror is an effective psychological shock weapon.

I am going to answer your question as to why he targeted a marathon in a terror attack; to maximise the impact, to shock people with unconventional attacks.

I understand how terrorism causes terror, yada yada yada, and how this guy timed the bombs to go off exactly 4 hours after the start of the marathon because that is the average time it takes to complete a marathon -->maximize destruction.  I did not ask that question.   I want to know what his/their motivation is for doing so. 

Furthermore, I would seriously question the mental status of someone who considers that a good option, because if the last 12 years have taught us anything, its that terrorism is a failed tactic.  While it certainly is effective at causing immediate, short term (ie that same day) chaos/fear/panic, the lasting result of a terrorist attack is an uprising of support for the victims, and a backlash for whatever the terrorist's cause was.   

So, mostly I want to know what their cause is, religious nutjob, racist crazy person, or tea-party tax rebellion nutjob, etc, so that I can be even more against it than I already am.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 5:09am

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

148 posts

why was that addressed to me? =S

unrelated to the terrorism bit:  because you mentioned a public perception of wikipedia as unreliable. 

back to terrorism:

they all have the bottom line of causing terror. hence the name terrorist xD

The bottom line is the purpose of what they are doing.  Causing terror (terrorism) is a means to an end. 

but if you dont let yourself and your ideas known then what did the attack do?

Thats the thing thats got me all wound up.  I can't wait for them to figure out who dunnit and why.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 5:17am

partydevil

partydevil

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I want to know what his/their motivation is for doing so. 

you and everyone els.
you wont find the answer on this forum ;)

because if the last 12 years have taught us anything, its that terrorism is a failed tactic.

it is? so you say al-quada didn't grow after 2001?

the lasting result of a terrorist attack is an uprising of support for the victims, and a backlash for whatever the terrorist's cause was.   

not whit al-quada. they grow and grow and grow. ;)

so that I can be even more against it than I already am.

befor you know the cause you already know your against it?
maybe you support his idea's. and just not the act.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 5:21am

partydevil

partydevil

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because you mentioned a public perception of wikipedia as unreliable.

it is when i take something of wiki. people that are against me (personally, not even talking about on-topic) say anything to put me in bad light. including this.
but i guess you need to be a bit longer on this forum to get to know when that is. it's off-topic in this topic. so i wont get further into it.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 5:39am

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

148 posts

befor you know the cause you already know your against it?
maybe you support his idea's. and just not the act.

God, I hope thats not the case  ;)
But lets be real: It would be pretty surprising if the marathon bombings were done by a liberal, pacifistic, agnostic, multicultural, health/fitness conscious, pro-choice, environmentalist!  I have trouble thinking up a cause or ideology that I support that would merit packing a slowcooker full of explosives and shrapnel. 
It was a marathon after all... More likely it was some faux news devotee who is sick and tired of michele obama telling people to exercise.

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 5:59am

partydevil

partydevil

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God, I hope thats not the case

many people agree whit the ideas of anders breivik. just not the act he did.

But lets be real: It would be pretty surprising if the marathon bombings were done by a liberal, pacifistic, agnostic, multicultural, health/fitness conscious, pro-choice, environmentalist!

it isn't very real to setup so many boxes.
or do you disagree whit everyone who is missing one of the boxes you called out?

 

Posted Apr 18, '13 at 6:06am

Getoffmydangle

Getoffmydangle

148 posts

And also, al qaeda has lost its founder/leader, enumerous #2's and 3's, and no longer has a top-down organizational structure.  It has morphed into more autonomous cells, which make it difficult to quantify, but also lessens its overall ability to accomplish its stated goals.  In addition, the arab spring showed that twitter/facebook and democratic action could topple regimes much more effectively than terrorism.  Terrorism did not cause any of those revolutions.  And, the number of places that al qaeda is welcome throughout the world has shrunk dramatically, and not just because of military/economic/political reasons.  Opinion polls among muslims show a significant decline in approval of their terrorist tactics.  link, or you could check wikipedia :)

 
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