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thecode11
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Any answers hopefully humane and by unpopulate i mean lower human populations.

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pangtongshu
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That rules out nuclear warfare, as the radiation left behind is brutal and will slowly kill anyone infected that wasn't vaporized by the initial blast.


I don't know, I find this quite humane. I mean, yes some people will be left to deal with the radiation, but for the most part the majority of the populace will be killed swiftly and painlessly.

Gladiator-type events where humans (or animals, elements and machines) kill humans is not humane


How isn't it humane? They can fight for their freedom with these events. Give them a chance to stay alive and live a life.

Maybe it could be a "Half-Life 2" scenario, where a building called "The Citadel" projects an energy field that is able to prevent human reproduction. Currently non-existent, but as a concept it is a painless way of reducing the human population in a slower, non-violent method. Rather than eliminating a chunk of humanity in bloodshed, blocking reproduction would lower human populations rather quickly. It could be moderated by placing a Citadel in specific cities, slowing growth in one place while allowing it to continue elsewhere so as to not erase human existence completely.


That just sounds like a convoluted and unrealistic way of saying "contraceptives"

morality would probably have to be reconsidered, since the amount of premarital intercourse would skyrocket


..and this is immoral how?
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Make alcohol, cigarettes, and hardcore drugs readily available to every human being on Earth. Legal driving age? Slash it in half in every country. And while you're at it, double the price of food, water (if you want free water, you have to get it from the ocean), and all household utilities. And gun laws? Who needs them?

Now you have an apocalyptic wasteland that will be nearly impossible to recover from. When the world reaches half a billion people, reinstate every one of these laws, and set all prices back to normal. Start over, and encourage people not to reproduce so fruitfully.

You should probably stay in your basement for most of this.

MattEmAngel
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The preceding bolded words are the same word.


I'm referring to nuclear radiation, produced by radioactive substances or nuclear fission, and a conceptual energy field fueled by an unknown substance. Nuclear radiation either kills cells or mutates their DNA. The Citadel energy field produces no negative health changes besides sterility.

And no, they aren't the same word. They can have similar meanings, but the words are very different.
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I don't know, I find this quite humane. I mean, yes some people will be left to deal with the radiation, but for the most part the majority of the populace will be killed swiftly and painlessly.


"Some people" means anyone withing several miles of the blast zone. Depending on which highly-populated countries you use this on, hundreds to millions could be affected by the fallout.

How isn't it humane? They can fight for their freedom with these events. Give them a chance to stay alive and live a life.


"Can" implies choice. In a life-or-death game, you have no choice but to fight or die. The chance is based on being able to kill other people. "Inhumane" means "lacking kindness and compassion" (in a simple definition). You would have to abandon both if you wanted to stay alive and live a life.

That just sounds like a convoluted and unrealistic way of saying "contraceptives"


Except it isn't. If it existed, it could do the job much more efficiently. Yes, the entire idea is a concept, but the thread asked for a way to reduce human population. It didn't say a way that currently exists.

Make alcohol, cigarettes, and hardcore drugs readily available to every human being on Earth. Legal driving age? Slash it in half in every country. And while you're at it, double the price of food, water (if you want free water, you have to get it from the ocean), and all household utilities. And gun laws? Who needs them?

Now you have an apocalyptic wasteland that will be nearly impossible to recover from. When the world reaches half a billion people, reinstate every one of these laws, and set all prices back to normal. Start over, and encourage people not to reproduce so fruitfully.


So yours is based entirely on human choice and what a person will do with enough freedom. Since it's based on choice, I would consider this rather effective. The problem, though, is that after you've reached half a billion, who is going to climb out of the bunker and declare that the laws are re-instated? The response would be "You and what army?" and "Who are you to tell us what to do?"

After all, these are the people that had to survive everyone else killing, drinking and smoking themselves to death. Survivors of an apocalyptic wasteland would probably be unwilling to revert back to laws, especially if they were the ones from the people who removed all of them so humanity could destroy itself.
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and a conceptual energy field fueled by an unknown substance


I suggest radiation.

The Citadel energy field produces no negative health changes besides sterility.


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Graham
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I'm referring to nuclear radiation, produced by radioactive substances or nuclear fission, and a conceptual energy field fueled by an unknown substance. Nuclear radiation either kills cells or mutates their DNA. The Citadel energy field produces no negative health changes besides sterility.


There is some sort of disconnect here, then.
http://imgur.com/pnDO9u4

You seem to be unaware of the fact that nuclear radiation is inherent in every single thing that exists. This being furthered by the robust theory of energy equalling mass, you know as e^2=m^2c^4+p^2c^2 (ambiguously e=mc^2).

It might help to read about what energy actually is, before claiming a field which fundamentally cannot exist.
MattEmAngel
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You should probably stay in your basement for most of this.


Only to collect bottle caps and trade for Nuka-Cola and Type 93 ammo.
Graham
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Excuse me, I forgot to put .png at the end of my image.

http://i.imgur.com/pnDO9u4.png

pangtongshu
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"Some people" means anyone withing several miles of the blast zone. Depending on which highly-populated countries you use this on, hundreds to millions could be affected by the fallout.

"Can" implies choice. In a life-or-death game, you have no choice but to fight or die. The chance is based on being able to kill other people. "Inhumane" means "lacking kindness and compassion" (in a simple definition). You would have to abandon both if you wanted to stay alive and live a life.


Ah good, you missed my point.
Whose idea of "humane" are we to go by?

Except it isn't. If it existed, it could do the job much more efficiently. Yes, the entire idea is a concept, but the thread asked for a way to reduce human population. It didn't say a way that currently exists.


The point of what I said there was that we have something similar that currently exists. And we have no clue of what potential dangers you hypothetical shield could bring.
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a field which fundamentally cannot exist.


I'm aware that the entire idea is from a video game in a non-existent future. The energy field does not and probably cannot exist, but the thread is asking for a way to humanely reduce human population, and this is one. I mean, I said from the beginning that it was from "Half Life 2," which takes place in a future controlled by aliens. No, it doesn't exist, but if it did it would answer the thread's question.

The point of what I said there was that we have something similar that currently exists.


In which case, I vote for Ernie's method, although I'm not sure how he would end the process. He probably has an answer.
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I'm aware that the entire idea is from a video game in a non-existent future. The energy field does not and probably cannot exist, but the thread is asking for a way to humanely reduce human population, and this is one. I mean, I said from the beginning that it was from "Half Life 2," which takes place in a future controlled by aliens. No, it doesn't exist, but if it did it would answer the thread's question.


My method is for unicorns and fairies to magically make people sterile, so they don't reproduce.
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My method is for unicorns and fairies to magically make people sterile, so they don't reproduce.


Hey, at least I had a source.
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In which case, I vote for Ernie's method, although I'm not sure how he would end the process. He probably has an answer.


Just so we are clear, you chose Ernie's answer over contraceptives?

Hey, at least I had a source.


Are you saying unicorns and fairies aren't in video games?
Ernie15
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Just so we are clear, you chose Ernie's answer over contraceptives?


Because condoms and birth control are so much more fun and appealing than recreational drugs, alcohol, and guns.
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Are you saying unicorns and fairies aren't in video games?


Is there a game with unicorns and fairies that cause sterility in humans? o_0

Just so we are clear, you chose Ernie's answer over contraceptives?


You would have to find a way to guarantee that specific groups of people are using them at specific times so reproduction is controlled. Ernie's is easier to implement and will produce immediate results without any requirements or control. I'd still like an answer to the question I asked on Page 22 about your solution, Ernie. I'm curious.
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