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identical then they would make the same choices in the same situation.

If you take two people and put them through the SAME EXACT life experience they will turn out the EXACT SAME.

This is not logic, it is another opinion.

Yes, they might act the same but they will not be the same. They will still have different minds. No one has the same mind which makes us different from one another. We may agree on some things while disagree on others.

My logic is basically saying that if you clone a person, they will act the same.

You can't say 1=1 but at the same time it doesn't! :-%

Sorry, my point is, they would have to be genetically identical and have the same experiences to be the same.

Sorry, my point is, they would have to be genetically identical and have the same experiences to be the same.

they won't turn out the same because they will not perceive those experiences the same way. they are two separate minds. different thoughts, views, and feelings.

I said they would act the same but they would still not be the same person. There are still going to be differences with the brain.

Since when are numbers, people? You can't take the complex brain and compare it to a simple math equation.

they won't turn out the same because they will not perceive those experiences the same way. they are two separate minds. different thoughts, views, and feelings.

This is a very classic thought experiment in philosophy. Answering this question will give you insight as to what you think a "mind" is, and for some it comes down to a question of a "soul."
I think both would have to be genetically identical, in fact, identical in every way and then present with exact circumstances in order for the question to work, though.
What is your mind, though? For that matter, what is consciousness? Is it all brain activity or is there something else going on there?

you got some screwy logic there Drace. you confuse the hell outta me.

Sure one might have dust on it and the other one not.

You get different thoughts, views, and feelings from experience.

Why is it that we all have different personalities?

I suppose it is because through different experiences, we get different thoughts.

The ideas we get later are formed from these thoughts. So if âbadâ thoughts were in your head. You will develop on âbadâ thoughts and become more âbadâ. So all your ideas are formed on previous ones.


@Moe

Ahh Moe, I have answered that question somewhere on here. Quite funny how we all ways talk about "our brain", like our minds are different from it, and I do believe it is.
I believe the mind is just the "viewer" of our activity. The brain processes information and lets some be released into our mind.
That information I suppose would be thoughts. Now that we do many things unconsciously.
So the mind isn't necessarily a soul though. I think a mind is what makes us different from rocks and grass. You can say they have a "brain", but not a mind.

Same view doesn't mean we have the same thought.
We can have two different thoughts and be against the Iraq war.

See, you may be aggressive against the Iraq war because your husband died in the war.
If I had that thought in my head, that my husband died, then i too would be aggressive.

Its life experience.

We form new ideas on old ones. So personality forms.

Free will and it's counterpart, reason or judgment, is what separates us from all of the other creatures on this Earth. The ability to let life experiences influence or decisions is part of free will. I can choose to keep the personality I have based on my experience or I can choose to reform and forget my past.

If you really think that life experience is the sole factor in desicion making, then what made decide to take up this topic?