ForumsWEPRA Paradox: Why would a benign God create penultimate evil

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camm95
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just a question i've always had, and just so we are clear, this is not a question pertaining to any specific religion, it is simply a hypothetical.
please don't cite religious texts, i'd like to hear your personal opinions from purely rational viewpoints

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dair5
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Its what happens, "live with it". You can't just pretend it isn't going to happen.


What I don't understand is why I should belive it. You say that when we die there will be no afterlife, but why should I belive that instead of what I already belive.
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What I don't understand is why I should belive it. You say that when we die there will be no afterlife, but why should I belive that instead of what I already belive.


Because it is the truth. The electrical impulses in your brain that allow you to think stop when you die, thus you stop thinking. No afterlife.
dair5
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But why can't I belive in a soul. There are many unknown forms of matter and energy. Why can't a soul be one of them?

314d1
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But why can't I belive in a soul. There are many unknown forms of matter and energy. Why can't a soul be one of them?



...No there isn't. What are you talking about "Unknown forms of matter and energy"? Some of the stuff that we are just finding out by ramming a few particles together? Nope, that is actual matter...

So could you tell me what exactly this sool thing is, and what you mean by "unbeknown forms of matter and energy"?
dair5
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter

I'm really sorry if I'm interpreting this wrong but this is a statement from wikipedia,

In comparison, ordinary matter accounts for only 4.6% of the mass-energy density of the observable universe, with the remainder being attributable to dark energy.


So I thought if it's not observable then it could be like a soul. Which often is said isn't observable.
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So I thought if it's not observable then it could be like a soul. Which often is said isn't observable.


By, "observable" they mean "able to be seen." You don't have to know what air is to understand there's wind.
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dair5
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Oh. So in what ways can you observe it.

314d1
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So I thought if it's not observable then it could be like a soul. Which often is said isn't observable.


Its observable. It has an effect on gravity. So if this was correct, then I could experiment with living and dead people, and the dead people would have a different effect.
dair5
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So they've done the experiment then.

Kasic
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Measurements of galactic rotations, along with multiple lines of other evidence, have led scientists to believe that there must be much more mass in the universe than we can currently detect.


From Avorne's link. Again, my example of

"By, "observable" they mean "able to be seen." You don't have to know what air is to understand there's wind."

We can see it's effect, we just as of yet cannot "see" it.
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So they've done the experiment then.


They have done several experiments with weighing people, of course,with no significant difference from alive to dead.
dair5
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yeah, but I mean they've already done the gravitational experiments with dead v.s living bodies right?

Kasic
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yeah, but I mean they've already done the gravitational experiments with dead v.s living bodies right?


Wait...what? Are you asking if they've sent dead people to space and living people to space and seen if they are affected by gravity differently...?
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No, you can't just use a dead body like that. But they've proven gravitation differences someway right?

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