Forums

ForumsWorld Events, Politics, Religion, Etc.

Quran and science

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 7:59pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

I just read an article
on this subject and I was astonished to see that on how many things they both agree.
A quote

. Modern astronomy confirms that the solar system is indeed moving in space at a rate of 12 miles per second towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules ( alpha lyrae ) whose exact location has been precisely calculated. Astronomers have even give it a name, the solar apex.

In Quran's words

"The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing.” Qur’an, 36:38

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:16pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

I just read an article
on this subject and I was astonished to see that on how many things they both agree.
A quote

    . Modern astronomy confirms that the solar system is indeed moving in space at a rate of 12 miles per second towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules ( alpha lyrae ) whose exact location has been precisely calculated. Astronomers have even give it a name, the solar apex.

In Quran's words

    "The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing.â�� Qurâ��an, 36:38

...?

Now imagine that you are a little peasant in the desert of thousands of years ago. When you say "THE SUN RUNS Its COURCE!" you mean "OVER THE SKY!". You know. Like a day. Which would make since, considering that peasants believed that the sun revolved around the earth. In fact, that paragraph looks a lot more like "The sun revolves around the earth"...

Especially when you consider some things like:

21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?
21:31 And We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake with them, and We have placed therein ravines as roads that haply they may find their way.
21:32 And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.    
21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.

Stating that everything revolves around a (Probably flat) Earth.

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:30pm

Avorne

Avorne

3,224 posts

A lot of the things that people have claimed as being examples of the Quran being right about scientific matters are either written in rather ambiguous or poetic language and only claimed as being 'right' after science has already proven them to be (nobody ever seems to make hypotheses based on the things said in the Quran) or likely to be based on earlier ideas (such as those proposed by the Ancient Greeks or the early-scientific Arabs).

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:38pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

21:30 Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them, and we made every living thing of water ? Will they not then believe ?

Big bang and and child birth

21:33 And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.

Day follows night and night follows day
Similarly we know the orbital motion of sun and moon
Moon aroun the Earth and sun Around the galaxy.

21:31 And We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake with them, and We have placed therein ravines as roads that haply they may find their way.

I don't know what it means as my English is not good
But here is the simpler version

21:31 And We have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake with them, and We have placed therein ravines as roads that haply they may find their way.

Research have shown that mountains have roots going deeper than their height
Its literal meaning is

And We made the sky a protected ceiling, but they, from its signs, are turning away.

Take translations from here as they are in simple english

21:32 And we have made the sky a roof withheld (from them). Yet they turn away from its portents.   

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:41pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

...****. I wrote something on the creation but backspaced outside the box right before posting it. So I will skip it and simply state that it is completely insane and grasping at straws so badly that the Cat in the Hat is a more accurate picture of the creation of the universe.

ASTRONOMY

"Did you see how Allah created seven heavens, one above the other, and made in them the moon a light and the sun a lamp?" Qur’an, 78:12-13

....He thinks that is scientific? I don't recall a "Light" meaning "Reflected from the lamp". When someone says "Turn off the lights" I don't go turn around the mirror. I turn off something that is actively producing light. This clearly states that the Sun and Moon produce light, which is defiantly not to par with modern science.

"Seven Heavens"...*Looks up* The Sun, the moon, and five planets that would be known at the time Muhammad was thought to exist. Apparently the other planets don't even exist?

“He coils the night upon the day and the day upon the night.” Qur’an, 39:5

.........
........
....He thinks the word "Coils" means that it is on scientific tract with modern times?

For the next one I pull out my own online Quran and get the quote in context:

51:47 We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).    
51:48 And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!

So not "Spreading a universe" like it is, but "Spreading the earth and universe" like you do to toast. Making the earth and the seven heavens on a flat area. Or having a flat earth.

Half the quotes don't even make since. Now this time I will post this before it breaks...

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:42pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

That was the simpler version

And We placed within the earth firmly set mountains, lest it should shift with them, and We made therein [mountain] passes [as] roads that they might be guided.

A lot of the things that people have claimed as being examples of the Quran being right about scientific matters are either written in rather ambiguous or poetic language and only claimed as being 'right' after science has already proven them to be (nobody ever seems to make hypotheses based on the things said in the Quran) or likely to be based on earlier ideas (such as those proposed by the Ancient Greeks or the early-scientific Arabs).

In those days science was not evolved enough yet to describe them in scientific names.Quran is written in that time's common language with examples that a common man could understand

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:47pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

Big bang and and child birth

......
......
......
Alif. Lam. Mim.
What? That doesn't make any since.

Day follows night and night follows day
Similarly we know the orbital motion of sun and moon
Moon aroun the Earth and sun Around the galaxy.

Once again, this clearly means that they both orbit...Around the Earth. Which is why he is using it to explain the cycle of night and day. Both going around the earth in their orbit. There is nothing to suggest that the sun is orbiting around the galaxy, but it does suggest that it is around the earth.

Research have shown that mountains have roots going deeper than their height
Its literal meaning is

....
....
...
Alif. Lam. Mim.

"Mountains going deeper than their height"?... "LOOK AT THIS JIM!" "What?" "I DUG UNDER A MOUNTAIN!" "OH MY GOD BOB DID YOU FALL OFF OT YOUR DEATH!" "NO! LOOK! MOUNTAINS GO ON UNDERGROUND" "OH MY GOD!"?

.....What did you think was under mountains?

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:54pm

314d1

314d1

3,510 posts

Geology:

“Have you not seen that Allah sent rain down from the sky and caused it to penetrate the ground and come forth as springs, then He caused crops of different colors to grow...” Qur’an,39:21

Apparently the anther's idea of "Advanced Science" is that rain is a thing and grows crops. I would assume people in the desert have a good working knowledge on what happens to crops when it doesn't rain, it wouldn't be that hard to say "Duh.".

“Have We not made the earth an expanse and the mountains stakes?”

Wait. ...He thinks that this states that theory of continental drift causes mountains when to plates hit each other? This sounds a lot more like "The earth is flat and mountains where put there like stakes. Hit into the ground like a nail. From the sky" rather than the theory of continental drift.

....How is the water cycle geology anyway?

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 8:56pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

....He thinks that is scientific? I don't recall a "Light" meaning "Reflected from the lamp". When someone says "Turn off the lights" I don't go turn around the mirror. I turn off something that is actively producing light. This clearly states that the Sun and Moon produce light, which is defiantly not to par with modern science.

Arabic is not like English
Yes noor means light but Siraj means Lamp
and when these two words are used in a same Sentence then noor means Light of lamp

"Seven Heavens"...*Looks up* The Sun, the moon, and five planets that would be known at the time Muhammad was thought to exist. Apparently the other planets don't even exist?

Exosphere
Thermosphere
Mesosphere
Stratosphere
Troposphere
ozone layer
magnetosphere

51:47 We have built the heaven with might, and We it is Who make the vast extent (thereof).

This one is about Expansion of space.

51:48 And the earth have We laid out, how gracious is the Spreader (thereof)!

Here the action spreading is taken as spreading your bedsheet on the bed not like expanding.
This just says that God have created the earth.

 

Posted Apr 6, '12 at 9:05pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,859 posts

Alif. Lam. Mim.
What? That doesn't make any since.

There are few more words like this which we believe only god has knowledge of

Once again, this clearly means that they both orbit...Around the Earth. Which is why he is using it to explain the cycle of night and day. Both going around the earth in their orbit. There is nothing to suggest that the sun is orbiting around the galaxy, but it does suggest that it is around the earth.

look in the article and you will get my point

Apparently the anther's idea of "Advanced Science" is that rain is a thing and grows crops. I would assume people in the desert have a good working knowledge on what happens to crops when it doesn't rain, it wouldn't be that hard to say "Duh.".

Does ancient man know where from where water came into springs?(I'm talking about springs not lakes)

 
Reply to Quran and science

You must be logged in to post a reply!