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Posted Oct 20, '13 at 9:45pm

Kennethhartanto

Kennethhartanto

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you were trying to exact that point, but you did it wrongly. Speak softly but walk with a stick, what do you think it meant? "Speak softly", well that meant discussion, a friendly one to settle arguments, but "walk with a stick" meant you are intimidating or confront those that you can't reconcile with and that's wrong. you can't be enemies with everybody that's hostile to you. it is the same as enforcing "hukum rimba" or jungle rules in indonesian. if that's the case, then why do you think we evolved from simple hunter-gatherers to food producers and to the modern "us" today? isn't it because we reconcile our differences, settle arguments, and unite together with other persons to become something bigger and larger than ourselves? just saying, but in a province in my country, there has still been hunter-gatherer tribes that are fighting each other because of, i.e someone from Tribe B killed Tribe A's child and then Tribe A killed Tribe B's child in retaliation and so on.why do you think they can't evolve into chiefdoms?
because they can't reconcile individual dyads and arguments between 2 or more people and the arguments explode into a bloody conflict. this is my example of what would happen if we confront, argue or even worse, fight with someone that have different opinions and views. This also applies to bullying. what do you think the counseling in school is for? why do we have psychiatrist specializing on victim of the bullying if we just force our 'judgement' on them/ fight all those that bully us? sometimes the best course of action is to ignore the bullier. if you don't make any responses to the perpetrator a.k.a ignore them, they'll get bored eventually

just because they can't be "tamed by words" doesn't mean they must be confronted. ignoring them is clearly an option. telling someone you trust is also an option.

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 12:11am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,858 posts

You guys really think I am shoot first askquestions later kind of guy,
I think this is 4 time I am saying this.
Violence is last resort.
You know I never throw first punch?

ignore the bullier. if you don't make any responses to the perpetrator a.k.a ignore them, they'll get bored eventually

Yeah we know how this one works.

you were trying to exact that point, but you did it wrongly. Speak softly but walk with a stick, what do you think it meant? "Speak softly",

"don't do it bro"

but "walk with a stick" meant you are intimidating or confront those that you can't reconcile with

Answer like with like.
If he takes to violence, reply in like.

what do you think the counseling in school is for? why do we have psychiatrist specializing on victim of the bullying

I don't know how weak you have to be to go to them,

telling someone you trust is also an option.

Why tell some one else when you can handle it?

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 12:43am

Kasic

Kasic

5,565 posts

Violence is last resort.

And the only option you pose. It equates to the same thing - you go to violence far too quickly because you consider 'dishonor' (being called names) a reason to knock someone's teeth out.

Yeah we know how this one works.

Yes, we do. You ignore what they say, they keep saying stuff, and you keep ignoring it. No problem at all.

If he takes to violence, reply in like.

I don't believe anyone is saying you cannot defend yourself.

I don't know how weak you have to be to go to them,

I don't know how ignorant you have to be to hold that view.

Why tell some one else when you can handle it?

Maybe they can't?

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 12:55am

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,858 posts

And the only option you pose. It equates to the same thing - you go to violence far too quickly because you consider 'dishonor' (being called names) a reason to knock someone's teeth out.

No I don't, wrse case scenario, i'll curse him in reply.

Yes, we do. You ignore what they say, they keep saying stuff, and you keep ignoring it. No problem at all.

Or you get some killer comebacks, they either shut up or they theyescalate and one day you really push their button and things get violent. You reply in like and immediatly take the issue to some authority, since you were not the one who started and have remained defensive in the fight, you are off the hook and they get entangled, double win.

I don't know how ignorant you have to be to hold that view.

I mean really, other than ones with mental illnesses who would be so much affected by bullying.

I don't believe anyone is saying you cannot defend yourself

good to know

Maybe they can't?

Then they should but first one should learn t rely on one's self.

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 1:10am

Kasic

Kasic

5,565 posts

No I don't, wrse case scenario, i'll curse him in reply.

Congratulations, you have begun the cycle of escalation. No wonder your examples always end with you fighting.

Or you get some killer comebacks, they either shut up or they theyescalate and one day you really push their button and things get violent. You reply in like and immediatly take the issue to some authority, since you were not the one who started and have remained defensive in the fight, you are off the hook and they get entangled, double win.

Or you ignore the dumb scrub and there's no problem. Since you're oh so strong, it won't hurt you to let the other guy mouth off will it? Who cares what the other person thinks.

I mean really, other than ones with mental illnesses who would be so much affected by bullying.

You haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. Bullying can affect anyone, mental illness or no. It's not an issue of "weak" and "strong." And having a mental illness does not automatically default someone to being weak.

Then they should but first one should learn t rely on one's self.

That requires a certain level of maturity and self confidence, which many children do not have. An adult should have learned how to handle confrontations (ie, by not resorting to violence).

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 2:50am

thebluerabbit

thebluerabbit

2,912 posts

Violence is last resort.
You know I never throw first punch?

I don't know how weak you have to be to go to them,

Why tell some one else when you can handle it?

Then they should but first one should learn t rely on one's self.

see this? you said violence is the last resort but using all the info you gave its also the second. the first being inviting it. youve been given with plenty things to do in such a situation but you pushed them aside. violence is definitely not the last resort for you.

why? because of shame. your so proud that you always have to get "even" with a person.

we are humans. we dont live in hell or a jungle. people dont have to learn how to defend themselves. i dont know in what kind of place you live in but i know many many people who barely ever got into fights and defnitely wouldnt be able to protect themselves in those fights. and theres nothing wrong with that. there plenty of people who go through life perfectly fine without having to deal with violence.

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 1:02pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,858 posts

Congratulations, you have begun the cycle of escalation. No wonder your examples always end with you fighting.

If escalation it is, so be it, I never keep a debt.

Or you ignore the dumb scrub and there's no problem. Since you're oh so strong, it won't hurt you to let the other guy mouth off will it?

Or sinc e you have made an example out of this dumb scrub, no other dumb scrub bothers you.

And having a mental illness does not automatically default someone to being weak.

How so?

That requires a certain level of maturity and self confidence, which many children do not have. An adult should have learned how to handle confrontations (ie, by not resorting to violence).

You are right, make an example and their will be no future cnfrontations, let alone violence.

see this? you said violence is the last resort but using all the info you gave its also the second. the first being inviting it. youve been given with plenty things to do in such a situation but you pushed them aside. violence is definitely not the last resort for you.

Oh, tell me how so? did I hit him?
All I did was reply him in the same.
If you can not handle being cursed,I strongly advise you to not to curse me, for I will definatley curse back.

your so proud that you always have to get "even" with a person.

As I said, I never keep a debt, you do me good, I always return the favor.

we are humans. we dont live in hell or a jungle.

Trying to be the dominant is human nature.

but i know many many people who barely ever got into fights and defnitely wouldnt be able to protect themselves in those fights.

Yeah I have such friends too, many of them became my friend when I helped them resolve confrontations.
I am not an outlaw **** it. Over 90% of situations go like this.
A friend of mine gets in a fight, fight gets broken up.
I ask why it started.
Other party usually coming for vengeance.
If its my friend's fault, I tell him to apologise.
If its their fault I tell them to back off.
Threaten them like this.
"Look, I am not here for a fight,but if it starts, you will be on losing side, you see that guy there?
He is only here so that when fight breaks up, he calls the police.
Come on now, what if some on gets seriousely hurt, or dies?
What then?
We all will be in jail.
Would your vengeance be complete then?
End this matter here and now, I don't give a crap if your brother's a police man or you are a prince, none of us will escape consiquences."
Issue resolved.
and over half what I say at the time is usually a balatant lie :)
still better to lie then get in a bloody fight.

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 1:20pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,565 posts

If escalation it is, so be it, I never keep a debt.

Yes, but you're lying through your teeth. Violence isn't your first answer, it's your only answer after the only person isn't intimidated by your hostile actions.

Or sinc e you have made an example out of this dumb scrub, no other dumb scrub bothers you.

Punisher's steps to success in life.

1) Live your life normally.
2) Encounter a problem.
3) Unnecessarily escalate that problem and then justify beating the **** out of the person you antagonized back.
4) Repeat.

How so?

Well, for one, there are many types of mental illnesses. Mental illnesses are not always permanent either - depression is one such type. Over 50% of everyone will have a mental illness at some point in their life. Second, it's an illness. Do you blame a person for coughing when they get pneumonia? Or for being in pain when they have a broken arm?

Getting sick has nothing to do with being strong or weak. Being sick does not make someone weak. Being different does not make someone weak.

did I hit him?
All I did was reply him in the same.
If you can not handle being cursed,I strongly advise you to not to curse me, for I will definatley curse back.

You know where cursing back is going to lead. You're just making this apologetic bs argument to defend your violent conclusion instead of using your brain to think of a better solution. All you're doing is perpetuating anger. You're a bully, punisher.

As I said, I never keep a debt, you do me good, I always return the favor.

Yeah, because we all know how the cycle of revenge goes.

Trying to be the dominant is human nature.

Going above your primate instincts is what we call being human.

still better to lie then get in a bloody fight.

We agree on this, at least.

I'm not sure how much of this is culture, either. Resorting to violence seems like a less extreme solution to you than it does us, perhaps because it's commonplace there. You're desensitized to it.

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 1:46pm

thepunisher93

thepunisher93

1,858 posts

Yes, but you're lying through your teeth. Violence isn't your first answer, it's your only answer after the only person isn't intimidated by your hostile actions.

Any way to justify this assumption of yours?

Getting sick has nothing to do with being strong or weak.

Yes it does, when your whole body is hurting thanks to malaria would you be able to function properly?
No, you will be weak albiet temporarily.
When you are depressed will you be working just as same as normal?
No you won't,hence you will be weak.
So, enough with this political correctness.

You're a bully, punisher.

Just because I refuse to be a victim I am a bully? WOW.

Yeah, because we all know how the cycle of revenge goes.

That's the thing, It never starts.
We don;t even take fights seriously.

Going above your primate instincts is what we call being human.

problem is  some people can't, when such people try to be dominant with me, I don't let them, it can be as simple as shunning them.

I'm not sure how much of this is culture, either. Resorting to violence seems like a less extreme solution to you than it does us, perhaps because it's commonplace there. You're desensitized to it.

Well i guess so is the case, what I gather from your posts, you guys are either trying to be nice and lying or you live shelterd lives.

 

Posted Oct 21, '13 at 3:18pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,565 posts

Any way to justify this assumption of yours?

It's heavily implied. You give example after example of fights you've gotten into. Though you repeatedly say this doesn't happen often, it obviously happens far more than it should. Getting into a fist fight is very serious, yet, correct me if I'm wrong because this is just an estimate, you probably get into at least one every other month.

Yes it does, when your whole body is hurting thanks to malaria would you be able to function properly?
No, you will be weak albiet temporarily.
When you are depressed will you be working just as same as normal?
No you won't,hence you will be weak.
So, enough with this political correctness.

I thought you were using weak in another sense. If all you meant was that people with illnesses are less able to handle these types of situations due to how it affects them, then we need not go further.

Just because I refuse to be a victim I am a bully? WOW.

No, because you turn yourself into one by stepping into that role. There's more than one way to be a bully - in this case, you're a bully to people being bullied, by using yourself as an example of how beating the crap out of someone can make the other person stop and then calling them weak for not being able to beat the other person up or being affected by their bully's actions.

We don;t even take fights seriously.

I dimly recall posts about broken noses and knocked out teeth. What's a serious fight, Punisher? When someone gets knifed?

 
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