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Shepherd

What do You think about bulling? i get bullied myself and it's not fun Plz reply what you think about it because it cause suicide,people bring knives and guns to school, and it just hurts them. What do you think? Don't be scared to stand up, Speak Up!

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EmperorPalpatine
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Make an example out of someone and no one will dare to mess with you.

Or it becomes an arms race and you get crushed later.
thepunisher93
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Or it becomes an arms race and you get crushed later.

It will only become an arms race if you a have merely jabbed the bully and have not made an example out of him.
I know this from experience that if you stand yor ground and fight fericiously for your safety, every one will back off even if they out number you.
By fighting I don't mean just fist fights it can be as simple as owning them in a word fight.
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I'll tell you two stories.
1) A guy used to bully me verbaly, used to say nasty things about me and my family etc.
I kept my mouth shut in the begining hoping he will go away but he was presistent *******. One day he said some nasty thing which I really do not care to repeat, I was pretty much annoyed of him soI decided to reply.
I looked him in the eyes and said.
"That's what your mother said last night"
Right there and then I had him in front of whole group, I was ready for him if he would have gone physical.
2) Another guy used to bully me first verbally which I used to reply and then one day things got physical he charged me and nearly chocked me to death.
After wards I remained wary of him, I knew he would repeat, and one day, he did, a broken tooth and a bleeding nose was enough to convince him not mess with me again and he became quite a good friend of mine.
Before you all start on my brutality and savagery hear this, he had 40 KG on me and I had to give every thing I got or other wise it would have ended like first fight.He gave up when I sweeped his legs from under him and sat on his chest.

EmperorPalpatine
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I looked him in the eyes and said.
"That's what your mother said last night"

Oh, that's a real kicker. Could've instantly backfired if it turned out his mom was dead.

a broken tooth and a bleeding nose was enough to convince him not mess with me again

Gets you arrested over here.
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Oh, that's a real kicker. Could've instantly backfired if it turned out his mom was dead.

How? would he have charged at me? I would have kicked his butt while Defending my self. Remember, I was not the one who was starting the fight, it was mere self defense.
Gets you arrested over here.

I don't thiink your justice system will be this blind that it will punish me for defending my self.
What part of
he charged me and nearly chocked me to death.
After wards I remained wary of him, I knew he would repeat, and one day, he did,
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What part of

he charged me and nearly chocked me to death.
After wards I remained wary of him, I knew he would repeat, and one day, he did,

You don't understand?
Maverick4
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Shepherd

"It all started when he hit me back."

Provocation mitigates any warrent of self-defense.

EmperorPalpatine
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How? would he have charged at me?

I meant in the context of the "word fight" you would've lost badly.

I don't thiink your justice system will be this blind that it will punish me for defending my self.

Yes it would.

What part of he charged me and nearly chocked me to death. After wards I remained wary of him, I knew he would repeat, and one day, he did, You don't understand?

Doesn't matter. Even if you fully reported it the first time, fighting back is not allowed. He might get in slightly more trouble, but you're still screwed.
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"It all started when he hit me back."

Provocation mitigates any warrent of self-defense.

Did I write the above sentence somewhere?
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Doesn't matter. Even if you fully reported it the first time, fighting back is not allowed. He might get in slightly more trouble, but you're still screwed.

So according to you head in its arse system, I was supposed to take the beating?
That really is a stupid system if you can not even defend yourself.
(Some generic bad words)
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Shepherd

Did I write the above sentence somewhere?


If you had, I would have c/p'd it and hit that blue "Quote" button.

So if I didn't do that...
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I meant in the context of the "word fight" you would've lost badly.


If he was really being a jerk, then I don't see why Punisher should have pulled any punches. One of the least popular people at my high school had a dead dad, and don't think people used that against him. It's harsh, yes, but someone should recognize their own weaknesses before attacking others.

Yes it would.


I don't see where. There are people who kill others and get off pretty scott free; John Grisham books aside. If someone where to attack me, and I defended myself, and there were people to testify for me, whether it be in a school or work or other public area, I am not at fault. If that weren't the case then George Zimmerman would be in prison right now.

fighting back is not allowed.


That's an odd statement. Are you referring to a certain situation or setting? Or just in general? You said it like you were saying, "What comes up must come down."
EmperorPalpatine
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So according to you head in its arse system, I was supposed to take the beating?

Leave, tell them to stop, yell for help, and if that all fails, then defend yourself by doing the least amount of damage to the aggressor as possible. Even then, there would likely still be consequences.

That really is a stupid system if you can not even defend yourself.

Agreed.

but someone should recognize their own weaknesses before attacking others.

I didn't mean that he'd lash out in anger or take offense to the statement, but that (assuming the "nasty thing" he said was sexual) punisher would've backed himself into the awkward corner of necrophilia with no way out.

If someone where to attack me, and I defended myself, and there were people to testify for me, whether it be in a school or work or other public area, I am not at fault.

Yes, the evidence would have to agree with you, and you'd most likely need some witnesses.

If that weren't the case then George Zimmerman would be in prison right now.

In that case, evidence showed that one party was badly beaten while the other seemed to have virtually no physical damage (other than the bullet wound), meaning the fighting part was almost completely one-sided. It's much more difficult, near impossible, to claim self-defense when you break the aggressor's tooth and make them bleed.

Are you referring to a certain situation or setting?

School, where bullying tends to happen. Being involved in a fight where you make the other guy bleed, even in defense, usually leads to your suspension, expulsion, and/or arrest unless there's cameras and/or adult witnesses to back you up. Otherwise both parties are usually considered equally guilty. "He attacked me first!" "Proof or you were looking for a fight."
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punisher would've backed himself into the awkward corner of necrophilia with no way out.


It becomes a sort of matter of opinion at this point but I doubt many people would take it like that. It's just a common figure of speech.

It's much more difficult, near impossible, to claim self-defense when you break the aggressor's tooth and make them bleed.


How is that any different? The concept of self-defense doesn't just change depending on the physical wounds inflicted. If I were to apply that, then George Zimmerman would be in some serious trouble, because a gunshot is a lot more heinous than a chipped tooth or blood.

Being involved in a fight where you make the other guy bleed, even in defense, usually leads to your suspension, expulsion, and/or arrest


Seems like a pretty broad statement to me. On one hand, I'm not sure how often something like this would happen at a school with no witnesses, and on the other there's really no telling how one administration or another would react to a situation like this. Like you said, there'd be an investigation, and the bully's background, as well as previous accounts could work in your favor. Not to mention that this isn't very pertinent considering Punisher's example happened in broad daylight.
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School, where bullying tends to happen. Being involved in a fight where you make the other guy bleed, even in defense, usually leads to your suspension, expulsion, and/or arrest unless there's cameras and/or adult witnesses to back you up. Otherwise both parties are usually considered equally guilty. "He attacked me first!" "Proof or you were looking for a fight."

That is not the case here I know from personal experience.
I once tossed a guy in a wall and kicked him a few times after repeatedly telling him to back off and that I don't want a fight.
All my life, I only fought a few offensive fights, rest has always been defensive, inflicting enough pain to make other party quit, some oppenents are presistent than others, some would just not quit, al though usually crowd will contain the situation(even as kids we had enough sense that fights are bad unless in some certain matters)
as a last resort I would go all out (as I went in the 2nd story, he only gaveup when he knew resistance is futile, imagine an enraged 130 kg beast and you'll have the idea)
I didn't mean that he'd lash out in anger or take offense to the statement, but that (assuming the "nasty thing" he said was sexual) punisher would've backed himself into the awkward corner of necrophilia with no way out.

That is a weird way of thinking, firrst of all he would not have said anything about his mother's death and even if he would have, I would have apologised for that insult and still I would have came out as a better man.
In that case, evidence showed that one party was badly beaten while the other seemed to have virtually no physical damage (other than the bullet wound), meaning the fighting part was almost completely one-sided. It's much more difficult, near impossible, to claim self-defense when you break the aggressor's tooth and make them bleed.

No offense but with all the stories I have heared of your schools, I think your system is stupid in principle and practice.(although my country no one follows the principles).
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