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plokkey
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It's been awhile.

Seriously, it's been awhile and nothing has happened.
Armogames has been hiring more "developers" and &quotrogrammers", but slowly removing features from the website. AG has been going backwards. I'm surprised we haven't become Games of Gondor yet.

What we lost:
- Forum search (didn't work anyway)
- Players online under the forums
- Players online on the profile
- Last logged in
- more....

What we got:
- Nationality/Flags on profiles
- Closing comments
- more...

Basic Issues that were never fixed:
- Admins and Moderators that are nowhere in sight. The community moved the fastest when Carlie was active, but even then, not much has improved.
- Can't edit or preview posts. I'm sure this OP won't look as good as I imagine.
- Can't view player's comments and posts
- Horrible organization of games and comments
- Horrible AP system that encourages spamming and other nonsense
- Game search is pretty bad

And what happened to this? It's been 3+ years and not much to do with AP.

Ok, so this is where we bring up AGv3 up.
AGv3 is starting to look a LOT like Kongregate, but I don't think AG will catch up because Kongregate is starting to looking more like facebook. It's already been a year and AG3 doesn't look like it has any special or interesting features. Why would we wait years for a Kongregate copycat when flash games already have a Kongregate? I don't want to be advertising for Kong, but it seems like Armorgames is already doing a good job of making Kongregate look REALLY GOOD.

So.... here's the ultimate question: Where is AG headed?

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Salvidian
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Seriously, it's been awhile and nothing has happened.
Armogames has been hiring more "developers" and &quotrogrammers", but slowly removing features from the website. AG has been going backwards. I'm surprised we haven't become Games of Gondor yet.


Actually, AG isn't doing anything right now. The staff/public connection is gone. We rarely ever hear of most of the mods and the admins are impossible to contact and actually talk to.

What we lost:
- Forum search (didn't work anyway)
- Players online under the forums
- Players online on the profile
- Last logged in
- more....


All lost due to glitches made by AG2 updates.

What we got:
- Nationality/Flags on profiles
- Closing comments
- more...


Which were pointless in my opinion. We also got timestamps everywhere, which REALLY messed things up.

Basic Issues that were never fixed:
- Admins and Moderators that are nowhere in sight. The community moved the fastest when Carlie was active, but even then, not much has improved.


It's unimaginably worse now. Cormyn was great for the admin's public face, but he resigned.

- Can't edit or preview posts. I'm sure this OP won't look as good as I imagine.


Promised in AG3.

- Can't view player's comments and posts


Promised in AG3.

- Horrible organization of games and comments


Worse in AG3.

- Horrible AP system that encourages spamming and other nonsense


Kind of fixed in AG3. Read [url=http://armorgames.com/community/thread/7374403/ideas-and-discussions-about-reputation-system]this thread
for outdated information concerning the subject.

- Game search is pretty bad


A fix is promised in AG3.

And what happened to this? It's been 3+ years and not much to do with AP.


No admins to be seen.

I really hate posting my own threads because it looks lie selfish advertising, but this thread contains the most recent information blended with rumors if you want a good read. Also, Cenere resigned and Freakenstein was promoted. The world keeps on spinnin'.

AG is halted. I, along with other disgruntled users, are trying to revive that magic AG once had.
Salvidian
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Failed post can be deleted.

Seriously, it's been awhile and nothing has happened.
Armogames has been hiring more "developers" and &quotrogrammers", but slowly removing features from the website. AG has been going backwards. I'm surprised we haven't become Games of Gondor yet.


Actually, AG isn't doing anything right now. The staff/public connection is gone. We rarely ever hear of most of the mods and the admins are impossible to contact and actually talk to.

What we lost:
- Forum search (didn't work anyway)
- Players online under the forums
- Players online on the profile
- Last logged in
- more....


All lost due to glitches made by AG2 updates.

What we got:
- Nationality/Flags on profiles
- Closing comments
- more...


Which were pointless in my opinion. We also got timestamps everywhere, which REALLY messed things up.

Basic Issues that were never fixed:
- Admins and Moderators that are nowhere in sight. The community moved the fastest when Carlie was active, but even then, not much has improved.


It's unimaginably worse now. Cormyn was great for the admin's public face, but he resigned.

- Can't edit or preview posts. I'm sure this OP won't look as good as I imagine.


Promised in AG3.

- Can't view player's comments and posts


Promised in AG3.

- Horrible organization of games and comments


Worse in AG3.

- Horrible AP system that encourages spamming and other nonsense


Kind of fixed in AG3. Read this thread for outdated information concerning the subject.


- Game search is pretty bad


A fix is promised in AG3.

And what happened to this? It's been 3+ years and not much to do with AP.


No admins to be seen.

I really hate posting my own threads because it looks like selfish advertising, but this thread contains the most recent information blended with rumors if you want a good read. Also, Cenere resigned and Freakenstein was promoted. The world keeps on spinnin'.

AG is halted. I, along with other disgruntled users, are trying to revive that magic AG once had.
plokkey
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Jester

I agree, AG looks much better than kong. The way AG3 shows the rating/plays/faves looks terrible. I hope that's not their final plan.

Kong does have an achievement system, but it is more similar to AG2 in how they are handled.


I'm not understanding this.
daleks
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Is it just me or do lots of people think that AG3 will be like some knight that will magically make AG great again?

I think that AG3 will be the tipping point of AGm right now we are between dead and alive. If AG3 comes out and is great I think AG will live. There is however the possibility that AG3 will be a total flop and AG3 will die because of it.

How AG will survive with AG3:
Come out with everything already in place. We have waited a long time so we can wait longer for them to set everything up.

Beta test everything. That way you can fix any major glitches before you replace AG2.

How AG will die because of AG3:
Comes out really glitchy

Not everything already put into it(so you think it was finished but it really wasn't)

GhostOfMatrix
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Beta test everything.

The problem here is that they haven't even released half of the stuff mentioned in the AG3 subforum. What we currently see is a half finished profile.
plokkey
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Sorry, I probably should have included some verification. I meant how the points are handled on Kong is similar to how points are handled on AG2; the only difference is that Kong has achievements (badges).


A HUGE percent of kong points are from achievements. The rest is just rating stuff and random promos and referrals (another thing I forgot to mention in the list of stuff they removed). That doesn't really make them similar......
plokkey
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Spam happens anyway, but kong's comment system works a little better. It's the same as the youtube comment system. Comments can be +'ed or -'ed, top comments are shown first, low vote comments are hidden. (but no reply button yet). I hope AG3's comment system won't be so primitive.

But hey, we don't know much anymore. And If cormyn is gone, who knows what's going to happen.

Freakenstein
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Plokkey, you haven't been gone *that* long. What you covered in "features lost" have been lost for a very, very long time. Usually when people talk about site degradation, they think about recent effects. Of course they are going to remove the obsolete functions of the community (because they don't work!) and later add functions that do work! Of course, we can't degrade into Games of Gondor, because Games of Gondor was under a different system. But I'm arguing trivial matters.

- Admins and Moderators that are nowhere in sight. The community moved the fastest when Carlie was active, but even then, not much has improved.


Please don't label the moderators as being "nowhere in sight". You're welcome to label administrators, though. There's a reason for that. The administration is the staff members that are developing AG3, with a couple that make games and are...supposed...to do...community..things...

Carlie was a community manager. You cannot expect things to improve when she's around, because she's a community manager. If moderators are the police officers with taser guns and hammers to slowly chip away buildings, she is the police officer with a life-stopping pistol and dynamite to demolish buildings in entirety. However, she is still just a police officer and isn't equipped to *create new buildings*.

- Can't edit or preview posts. I'm sure this OP won't look as good as I imagine.


You labeled this as an issue that needs to be fixed. How can you fix something that's not there? This should be added into "features that need to be there", which by the way should be installed into AG3. When...that comes....along...

- Horrible organization of games and comments


I disagree, the organization of games and comments are clean, easy to view/see, and aren't complex.

- Horrible AP system that encourages spamming and other nonsense


An expected double-edged sword when any reinforcer is installed, behooving users to "cheat the system" by finding exploits in the program to speed their progression. You cannot fix this so much without being too controlled and detrimental. Flash game websites do not need this.

- Game search is pretty bad


AG3

And what happened to this? It's been 3+ years and not much to do with AP.


AG3

It's already been a year and AG3 doesn't look like it has any special or interesting features


You weren't around when closed/open Beta was featured, having many of what public beta does not showcase. Naturally, you think there are few featured to tinker with, but far more things were in closed/open beta. The staff just decided to not have this here yet, probably for revamping what was already good. Like they like to do.

but it seems like Armorgames is already doing a good job of making Kongregate look REALLY GOOD.


You're basing ArmorGames' being a Kongregate copycat on the looks of the site. It's fairly admissible, though it's the same argument whether or not McDonald's hamburgers are better than Burger King's hamburgers. Speaking of which, we still kinda have that thing that Kongregate cannot muster, which is the community. You know, the place that isn't anarchistic when it comes to traffic security.

Spam happens anyway, but kong's comment system works a little better. It's the same as the youtube comment system.


Please do not put Youtube and better in conjoined sentences.

Comments can be +'ed or -'ed, top comments are shown first, low vote comments are hidden.


This is a problem when it comes to security and the reputation system put into place by the staff later on. When low comments get buried, they say "too many negative votes", but "too many negative votes" is a few accounts. This label can easily be exploited by Sockpuppeting. And when there are comments that are buried, moderators have to check why the comment was buried. It's more hassle to the police officers when their own peers are hiding the marijuana. It has to be visible (instead of being swept under the carpet so users can easily skim past) so users can report these matters so moderators can warn/punish the individual. It's no wonder why Kongregate is anarchist/lenient in traffic security; the system does the security for them!
skater_kid_who_pwns
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AG never changes, I like it. Keeps it simple for me to find stuff.

I do miss some of the old features (mainly the "active users in the last 5 minutes&quot but I don't see much of a point complaining about that.

Sure, the admins don't appear to care about much since they don't even tell the moderators they trust to run the site anything, but o well. It's not like it's information we realllllly need.

plokkey
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Please do not put Youtube and better in conjoined sentences.


Are you serious? I'm not so sure that the rest of your opinions are very reliable anymore. I hope you were just trying to be funny, Freakenstein. :O

Please don't label the moderators as being "nowhere in sight". You're welcome to label administrators, though. There's a reason for that. The administration is the staff members that are developing AG3, with a couple that make games and are...supposed...to do...community..things...


There are usually about 3 mods active at a time. For the whole community? Spam gets taken care of pretty slowly. So we can flag stuff, for the invisible admins, or tell a moderator. It works, but slow moving. The merit system also depends on moderators. Less moderators, less chance of merits.

Ok, to be honest, I'm not sure how moderators go through comments for merits, but I'm sure it's really tedious. Really. It's been a few years, and not much change, unless mods have been given new mod tools, and us regulars aren't getting anything.


Carlie was a community manager. You cannot expect things to improve when she's around, because she's a community manager. If moderators are the police officers with taser guns and hammers to slowly chip away buildings, she is the police officer with a life-stopping pistol and dynamite to demolish buildings in entirety. However, she is still just a police officer and isn't equipped to *create new buildings*.


I understand very well that Carlie was just the CM. I was using Carlie as an example, she was the best connection in the middle years, between admins and normal users. That's not very good. And then there is cormyn in the AG3 forums. That was pretty promising, but he sorta disappeared.

An expected double-edged sword when any reinforcer is installed, behooving users to "cheat the system" by finding exploits in the program to speed their progression. You cannot fix this so much without being too controlled and detrimental. Flash game websites do not need this.


I agree with you here.

You labeled this as an issue that needs to be fixed. How can you fix something that's not there? This should be added into "features that need to be there", which by the way should be installed into AG3. When...that comes....along...

AG3

AG3


The "New ArmorGames is coming soon..." has been on the site header for what? over a year? Being a regular on several websites that rarely update, I wouldn't be surprised if it took another year. It's been 5 years since the open of AG2 beta, and nothing interesting until AG3.

And what is AG3? A huge jump. I'd prefer a gradual ease into AG3 from the start. I'm pretty sure you know that most people don't like change. AG has already lost tons of players to other sites. AG will lose many of it's base players due to this (firetail is qq coz he no getted his AP lul). AG3 will bring new players, but yea, we'd still have our same community right? right? I don't think so.

You weren't around when closed/open Beta was featured, having many of what public beta does not showcase. Naturally, you think there are few featured to tinker with, but far more things were in closed/open beta. The staff just decided to not have this here yet, probably for revamping what was already good. Like they like to do.


Yeah, things. Very interesting. *rolls eyes*
If they had awesome things that I don't see, why not just tell me?

This is a problem when it comes to security and the reputation system put into place by the staff later on. When low comments get buried, they say "too many negative votes", but "too many negative votes" is a few accounts. This label can easily be exploited by Sockpuppeting. And when there are comments that are buried, moderators have to check why the comment was buried. It's more hassle to the police officers when their own peers are hiding the marijuana. It has to be visible (instead of being swept under the carpet so users can easily skim past) so users can report these matters so moderators can warn/punish the individual. It's no wonder why Kongregate is anarchist/lenient in traffic security; the system does the security for them!


You're too busy being an AG moderator to remember that other sites have better moderation tools. Enough -'s is more of a flag, that SHOULD be sent to mods or admins to take care of it. You already have people reporting problem to you, why not make it automatic?

You're calling out Kongregate for having an anarchistic system. And it works. What is ArmorGames? a monarchy? No, It's a mess. Kong's "anarchy" works because it has an enormous player base. Kong tells me what they're doing and why they're doing it. Armorgames tells me nothing.

As always, I forgot half the things I was going to say while I was saying them.
daleks
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@plokkey
Cormyn(or as all the cool people say Ian) retired from AG. That is why he is gone.

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