Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.) I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons. Supporting evidence: the following skit: What's your reason? Setting: A gun shop, modern day. A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please." The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?" The Customer says "I need one for personal protection." The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell." The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!" The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left. Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun." Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks. The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting." The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy. The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states. The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff. Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says. The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks. The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot! The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet. The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!" The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves. Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says. The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks. Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other". "Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly. The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer. "Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows. "Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"
Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!
The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?
That'll go down well. Is the idea of hunting for both meat and for a challenge a stupid one to you? It probably is, but many people still love it.
gun replications can be made non functional for decoration only.
Look up FPSRussia. Then contemplate why people would not want a "decoration only" weapon.
and i said generations not 1 generation. give it 100 year or so. 50 befor the crying about illegal guns stops. (after it is illegalized)
Do you want the militaries to get rid of their guns? Or maybe lock up the soldiers who want to have a family before they can put the ideas of guns in their families' heads?
Face it, some countries may ban guns entirely, but others are exceptional. I seriously doubt that banning guns would solve many problems.
Do you want the militaries to get rid of their guns? Or maybe lock up the soldiers who want to have a family before they can put the ideas of guns in their families' heads?
There's a big difference between trained military and soldier wannabe rednecks.
Is the idea of hunting for both meat and for a challenge a stupid one to you?
the meat yes. i can get into the challenge part. but this can also be done like fishing. not actually killing the fish but trowing it back in the water. in africa there are parks you are allowed to hunt rare animals. but only whit a dart that brings them to sleep and not actually killing the animal.
contemplate why people would not want a "decoration only" weapon.
i know why not. becauce the value is lower then the real deal. the real guns can stay legal under heavy control and bureaucracy. making only a few want to get in the pain of the bureaucracy to have them. the rest should do it whit non functionals.
Do you want the militaries to get rid of their guns? Or maybe lock up the soldiers who want to have a family before they can put the ideas of guns in their families' heads?
where are you going now? i never said anything like that, did i?
Face it, some countries may ban guns entirely, but others are exceptional.
from a personal point i dont give a danm if americans keep shooting themselve. i only want to try to make you see the violence culture you live in and that it can be changed. or better said that it should change because it's getting out of the hand.
also am i not for banning all guns completely. as i mentioned a few times already there are times guns are actual usefull and they should be available for people in those situations. aswell as competition guns stay legal under the same heavy control and bureaucracy. what needs to get rid of are the millions of guns spread out over the country.
Here you have it people, a few million gun loving nuts who can't see the difference between a video game and real life and who think that once they own guns they automatically become soldiers and they think they're entitled to become vigilante. OMG, that's a scary though! :O
Here you have it people, a few million gun loving nuts who can't see the difference between a video game and real life and who think that once they own guns they automatically become soldiers and they think they're entitled to become vigilante. OMG, that's a scary though! :O
I'm not saying guns should be free and easy to get, but I do not condone the moronic idea of banning guns because stupidity and ignorance made it easier to get guns. You don't need to ban guns, you just need better paperwork and background checks.
Here you have it people, a few million gun loving nuts who can't see the difference between a video game and real life and who think that once they own guns they automatically become soldiers and they think they're entitled to become vigilante. OMG, that's a scary though! :O
So I go around shooting my guns at random people fighting?
So I go around shooting my guns at random people fighting?
Read again, I didn't say that. It's the whole idea behind the justification. You said yourself you're not a gun nuts so it doesn't apply to you, unless you see it that way...
Read again, I didn't say that. It's the whole idea behind the justification. You said yourself you're not a gun nuts so it doesn't apply to you, unless you see it that way...
You're still generalization too much. If every person who loved guns went out and used them at random people, a good half of the population would be wiped out.
Besides... You can't really think "hillbillies" think this way. It's inhumane.
you just need better paperwork and background checks.
That doesn't work either. It's not difficult for a person with a legal one to give it to a criminal. ex: the guy who shot the firefighters received the gun from a neighbor because he wasn't able to get one.
