I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.
Meh, If you want to continue this, be my guest. I would just like to imply that I created a thread more vague to contain the now contents of this ever-expanding, off-topic thread. Theism vs. Atheism is the thread's name, I would at least like to see some participants. -Thanks
I mean believe what u want im a christian but i think atheism is pointless because if your an atheist when die u are gone forever eternal unconsciousness there's no point but if u believe in God u believe if u accept him that u will go to heaven
so if ur an atheist and ur right there is no god congrats but you will never know but if ur wrong you will know forever
You can look at it the other way as well. You spend 1/7th of your life learning about a religion. When you die and find nothing there, you just wasted about 12 to 15 years of your life you could have used to do something else.
Talo has a very good point. However, have you noticed that atheists are usually very greedy and self-centered, while religious people are usually better and more selfless? Besides, persecution hasn't ended, because being an atheist is a "sin" and anyone who is must be slammed against the wall... Note that the religious majority is always fighting wars over silly disagreements while the atheists sit it out, because its not worth it. I think the Atheists win.
You can look at it the other way as well. You spend 1/7th of your life learning about a religion. When you die and find nothing there, you just wasted about 12 to 15 years of your life you could have used to do something else.
No, because if there is no God, well, then you are dead and cannot think, so nothing lost. If there is a God, then you first find out at Judgement Day, and before that, you are... dead and cannot think. SO all that (sorry) crap about people knowing and so, that is bull.
Note that the religious majority is always fighting wars over silly disagreements while the atheists sit it out, because its not worth it. I think the Atheists win.
SOmetimes Atheists yell about silly arguements too. But yes, some christians end up really angry at nothing, thus putting the rest of us in a really bad light.
However, have you noticed that atheists are usually very greedy and self-centered, while religious people are usually better and more selfless?
I hope that was sarcasm. Oh, and nice example of christians being sinners when talking about sinners: there was a huge flamewar in the Homosexuality thread, and those talking against homosexuality because of it being a sin yelled and was angry, basically setting the whole thing into flames. In the bible Jesus say that it is as big a sin to be angry as to murder, and that you should not be angry because of that. So they were sinning pretty darn much.
Besides, persecution hasn't ended, because being an atheist is a "sin" and anyone who is must be slammed against the wall...
Fanatics are like that. Being a regular not-so-holy christian defending science often get you slammed against the wall too. And from both sides, because somehow you cannot be a christian and defend science at the same time, without getting both atheists and fanatics angry.
I mean believe what u want im a christian but i think atheism is pointless because if your an atheist when die u are gone forever eternal unconsciousness there's no point but if u believe in God u believe if u accept him that u will go to heaven
WOAH! That's not how Christianity works, and I even I know that. Christians believe everyone deserves the right to go to heaven, as long as they do good in life and help others. So even us Atheists have the right to go there! So I don't know what kind of Christianity you came from, but the only one I know of people would never point fingers and say, "no heaven for you".
Talo has a very good point. However, have you noticed that atheists are usually very greedy and self-centered, while religious people are usually better and more selfless? Besides, persecution hasn't ended, because being an atheist is a "sin" and anyone who is must be slammed against the wall... Note that the religious majority is always fighting wars over silly disagreements while the atheists sit it out, because its not worth it. I think the Atheists win.
Oh, that is a very nice stereotype! Where'd you get that huh? Oh and where is your data?! Just because someone doesn't believe in God means they only care for themselves?! Look, I don't believe in God but I've done some very selfless things. Like helping elders, the poor, the young. So I don't see why you have the ability to say that.
Fanatics are like that. Being a regular not-so-holy christian defending science often get you slammed against the wall too. And from both sides, because somehow you cannot be a christian and defend science at the same time, without getting both atheists and fanatics angry.
not all fanatics are bad. The amish are fanatics but you won't see one highjack carriage at needle point. Remember if you see an amish person with his hand up a horse he's a mechanic.
Is there actually such a thing as a selfless deed? Personally I don't believe in altruism, no matter how hard you try you always gain somehow.
WOAH! That's not how Christianity works, and I even I know that. Christians believe everyone deserves the right to go to heaven, as long as they do good in life and help others. So even us Atheists have the right to go there! So I don't know what kind of Christianity you came from, but the only one I know of people would never point fingers and say, "no heaven for you".
Actually, you're both wrong. You see, in Christianity, you must accept Jesus Christ as your savior in order to go to heaven. It's in Judaism that you must follow God and be without sin, which is obviously impossible.
Also, I find this thread absolutely useless, as all that will occur is a bunch of arguing. No one is going to be convinced to change their beliefs, so don't waste your breath.
I know its a figure of speech but still I laughed really hard. (patronising voice) were typing duhhh.
Anyway alot of debated don't change opinions but there still fun. I've probably learnt more about christianity from thsi threa than I have in R.E. ove the last few years ( doesn't helpt hat Mr. Bodds style of teaching was to lock the door turn on the TV and fall asleep) Bod is God as we used to say.
Funny thing, I have tried to convince my teacher that there is a possiblity that we all see colours differently (what you see when you look at the blue sky would be yellow to me), and that we just happen to think it is the same colours
I always thought that. Because you can't really describe a color. The only way your taught what color is what is by somebody pointing to the color blue and saying 'this is blue'. In reality the blue I see could look like red to you, or the red that I see. (Hope that makes sense)
Pretty sure this statement, among many others, is a fact: "Jupiter is a planet." There are many facts in bioscience. A lot of the information in Biology is proven to be fact, cells and respiration, to name a few.
Well ten years ago you could have said 'Fact:Pluto is a planet' Which would no longer be true since it is now considered a plutoid
So whose to say in years to come people will no longer consider Jupiter a planet?
You can look at it the other way as well. You spend 1/7th of your life learning about a religion. When you die and find nothing there, you just wasted about 12 to 15 years of your life you could have used to do something else.
Such generalisations mark the foolish. I'm sure some agnostics are conflict-avoidant, others are quite adamant about their stance e.g. Bertrand Russell. One would do well to note the distinctions, seeing as agnosticism isn't nearly as politicised as stance as the Atheist and Christian factions.
Observe how I ended the sentence with XD, implying that I said it tongue-in-cheek.
However, have you noticed that atheists are usually very greedy and self-centered, while religious people are usually better and more selfless? Besides, persecution hasn't ended, because being an atheist is a "sin" and anyone who is must be slammed against the wall...[/quoute]
...you talk about persecution of atheists and in the same sentence call us greedy and self-centered? *goes on a brief dragon rampage*
[quote]Also, I find this thread absolutely useless, as all that will occur is a bunch of arguing. No one is going to be convinced to change their beliefs, so don't waste your breath.
Well, if it was thought that *nobody* could change our beliefs about things, there would be no point to *any* debate. Lots of atheists were raised as Christians, such as myself. Then I turned ten. XD (That is a fact; around the age of ten, I discarded the concept of God. This is not intended as an insult. OBSERVE THE SMILIE.)
Talo has a very good point. However, have you noticed that atheists are usually very greedy and self-centered, while religious people are usually better and more selfless? Besides, persecution hasn't ended, because being an atheist is a "sin" and anyone who is must be slammed against the wall... Note that the religious majority is always fighting wars over silly disagreements while the atheists sit it out, because its not worth it. I think the Atheists win.
the only reason a lot of them are nice is because of fear of spiritual retribution.