I am a christian, i and i strongly belive in my lord jesus christ, and i also belive that if you belive in him and except him as your savior, u will go to heaven. and i also believe that he created the world, not the big bang, or that we came from stupid apes.
I apologize if I misinterpret your argument but you're saying that just as zero was created by human thought the idea of God was created by thought, and therefore created. One has to remember that the idea of a amoeba was invented after the amoeba existed. What I mean by that is what we think doesn't define whether or not something exists. So regardless of what I say or think God either exists or he doesn't. I'm trying to reason out if he does.
The second way I took your argument was that
That means that you are saying that it is irrelevant to ask that question because the idea of god was made that way.
Yes that is what I'm saying. You can't ask the question "what made God?" Part of being God is that you always existed. Now whether or not He exists is an acceptable question and an extremely important one. The second paragraph above is my argument that God as I defined needs to exist.
well the Christian God doesn't need to exist, and I am certain that the world is probably better off without a god that is willing to eradicate it's own miracle in a very painful way simply for exercising free will that was allegedly given to us. If a sentient being really is controlling EVERYTHING, than it would have to be some sort of life form that is so foreign, so profound that humanity could not understand it in any way at all, thought the likelihood of a sentient being deliberately pulling the strings is unlikely. God most likely exists as some sort of influence or force, an undiscovered physical phenomenon or constant in nature. We really will never know for sure, but common sense and research will get us close. Unless, of course, you are a Cocacolian, when you know that there won't be any problems or worry in your life god-wise, because god literally is all around and in you.
well the Christian God doesn't need to exist, and I am certain that the world is probably better off without a god that is willing to eradicate it's own miracle in a very painful way simply for exercising free will that was allegedly given to us. If a sentient being really is controlling EVERYTHING, than it would have to be some sort of life form that is so foreign, so profound that humanity could not understand it in any way at all, thought the likelihood of a sentient being deliberately pulling the strings is unlikely. God most likely exists as some sort of influence or force, an undiscovered physical phenomenon or constant in nature. We really will never know for sure, but common sense and research will get us close. Unless, of course, you are a Cocacolian, when you know that there won't be any problems or worry in your life god-wise, because god literally is all around and in you.
Yes that is what I'm saying. You can't ask the question "what made God?" Part of being God is that you always existed. Now whether or not He exists is an acceptable question and an extremely important one. The second paragraph above is my argument that God as I defined needs to exist.
Gods a He?
Nah, Im just bitng your leg. I get what you mean, but why God? Why does he live for eterninty, be eternity and control eterity? That's the real question. And why do people believe that nature can't hold itself. That there has to be a being that controls it to keep it here? I just don't get the general idea that things need to be controlled.
it's almost a paradox, because God is apparently a being, so wouldn't he need controlling too? Or does the Holy Ghost control him? There's just too much speculation and What If's about the idea of a religious god, which is why I believe in my very own driving force theory.
If he always existed, what did he do before he created the earth?
Before God created the Earth he ruled in heaven and Satan--also known as Lucifer-- was his right hand man. then he banished him because he was trying to be too much like god, he also reqruited other angels and they were banished we see satan as a demon, which he is, but he is beutifull, actually the most beutifull of ALL angels
thats some of the stuff god did, but we dont know everythin because he never has told us, but that is one thing
it's almost a paradox, because God is apparently a being, so wouldn't he need controlling too?
I don't know, it's quite unfathomable that there was a single being that created everything. Everything has to have a beginning, so God would be this beginning. Idk, i can't think that deeply nor can I fathom it. You said so yourself...
If a sentient being really is controlling EVERYTHING, than it would have to be some sort of life form that is so foreign, so profound that humanity could not understand it in any way at all,
christians- MERRY CHRISTMAS! jewish- HUUGGGCGCGH-APPY HUUGCGCGH-UANUKA athiests-have a nice day SCREW ATHEIESTS no offense.
I don't know where you live but--It's not december no more, not even January. So happy random day to all? Oh and "SCREW ATHEIESTS"--what's that mean? For the last time I checked it was spelled Atheists Oh and happy random f***ing day to you to a**hole. See, this is where the thread gets kind of crappy. What's up with that?
Before God created the Earth he ruled in heaven and Satan--also known as Lucifer-- was his right hand man. then he banished him because he was trying to be too much like god, he also reqruited other angels and they were banished we see satan as a demon, which he is, but he is beutifull, actually the most beutifull of ALL angels
If he didn't tell you, how do you know this?
God would be this beginning.
If everything needs a 'beginning' then wouldn't 'the beginning'[God] have a beginning?
*sudden idea, flails* Uhuh!! Just think of God as a character in a comic!! And the christians are all nerdy about this character!! That way God can be whatever God is, without disturbing atheists!!
Moral fail: If God doesn't exist, well, waste of time for the christians, and Haha from the atheists. If God does exist, then the atheists would still go to heaven, because God loves all Their children, but as an atheist, wouldn't it be fail to go to heaven when having said God doesn't exist for all ou life? > >.. Fail/Fail situation?
If a sentient being really is controlling EVERYTHING, than it would have to be some sort of life form that is so foreign, so profound that humanity could not understand it in any way at all, thought the likelihood of a sentient being deliberately pulling the strings is unlikely.
On This note I think you are partially right. We both agree that no one could ever fully understand God. But humans can learn parts about Him. The way they do this is through creation and nature. Just as you can learn about a painter through his painting, you should be able to learn about God through His creation.
God most likely exists as some sort of influence or force, an undiscovered physical phenomenon or constant in nature. We really will never know for sure, but common sense and research will get us close.
Now I find this thought interesting but not quite true. I look at nature around me and see only one being that can "create". This being is man. Now why are we so vastly different from other creatures? Its because we are Intelligent(most of the time) and Free in our decision making. For the same reason I can't see a driving force "createing". There needs to be some intelligence on the part of the Creator.
[quote]christians- MERRY CHRISTMAS! jewish- HUUGGGCGCGH-APPY HUUGCGCGH-UANUKA athiests-have a nice day SCREW ATHEIESTS
i personally find the worst kind of human is not defined by their religion but by their attitude. An atheist is just as good if not better than a Christian; as long as he is legitimately looking for the truth. If he legitimately believes that hes right and will fight you for it. He gets my respect.
