What about the parts with animal sacrifice? Also it seems the Torah has no big issue with sacrificing people of a different religion.
For example. 1 Kings 13:1-2 (NIV) By the word of the Lord a man of God came from Judah to Bethel, as Jeroboam was standing by the altar to make an offering. 2 By the word of the Lord he cried out against the altar: âAltar, altar! This is what the Lord says: âA son named Josiah will be born to the house of David. On you he will sacrifice the priests of the high places who make offerings here, and human bones will be burned on you.ââ
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 (NIV) 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, âLet us go and worship other godsâ (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[a] both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[b] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestorsâ" 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes.
everywhere the killing is done none of a country is there which don't have a murder case there are about 9 murder cases everyday all over the world which means 2 x 30 = 60 cases every month and 60 x 12 = 720 death's are in the world every year.....
Well, if that's all it takes to prove a point: There are more than 9,000,000 meteors colliding with planets every hour 2,000,000 x 24 = 48,000,000 cases every day and 48,000,000 x 365.25 = 17,532,000,000 meteor collisions every year.....
Judisem never had ritual sacrefice. For a proof, see the story of Issac and Abraham. The fact that they mention this sacrefice as something so rare and horrible, show that it wasent a common practice.
The fact that any sacrifice had even been planned indicates that it was a common practice. Your proof just proved you wrong.
Do you have really read the Leviticus? It doesn't say's that human's have any permission by god to kill them and about that it say's that we make the level to the average but we kill them in a harsh way so they die and die and die and this makes them extinct. We were to create balance by killing them but we are the one's destroying it.
everywhere the killing is done none of a country is there which don't have a murder case there are about 9 murder cases everyday all over the world which means 2 x 30 = 60 cases every month and 60 x 12 = 720 death's are in the world every year.....
1) You are still cherry picking 2) You are still generalizing 3) Where are your sources?
1) You are still cherry picking 2) You are still generalizing 3) Where are your sources?
Who cares? It's obviously accurate. Just look at his math: 9 = 2 and 1year = 360days. Now, everyone get in the bomb shelter before the next meteor hits!
By your logic, Fish, you say that Christianity support gay intercours because it mention it. If sacreficing was a common practice, then it whould have been mentioned more then one time, when even this one time is stopped. In the book of Heliyahu they list some acts which some parts of the peoples did which are of foregien gods and thereby not allowed. One of them is sacreficing kids. Summery - no sacrefices in Judisem. There are some calls in it for "holy war", if that will help your statment keep being vailed.
you say that Christianity support gay intercours because it mention it.
That's not the 'logic' that Fish is using. If you take a look at Mage's post above, you can see that the Old Testament/Torah actually encourages the killing or sacrifice of certain peoples, animals, and goods. The argument doesn't hinge on whether these texts mention it - the fact is they encourage it. Furthermore, 'gay intercourse' is also expressly forbidden in both texts. Not because it's 'mentioned' but because there are strict laws in place. Interestingly, Leviticus only forbids a man-on-man action. It doesn't say anything about lesbians!
Leviticus just took random passages from the bible. He is a reposter. The biblical law say "Dont waste sperm for nothing". In Judaism, most of the rules are a one line text, and the 'list' of sub-rules is made by Rabbis troughout the ages. This way, "dont waste sperm" say no to homosexuals, to sex befor marrige, to masturbation and etc.
Judaism only mention Sacrafice in the holy temple (Not anywher else), Of livestock and Cropses. The other way of "sacrafice" is the "No loot rule" some nations had been pointed, like the Amaleks. Only these spesific nations are ruled to be "sacreficed" to god. Long story short, Ritual killing - No. War time execution - Yes. Ritual killing sound like what the aztecs did, not what Judaism did.
Well, In kings 13, Yerbaham talk about an altar for a diffrunete god, o its isnt Judaisem encoureging human sacrefice. The second one i cant excuse in any way. Its not Ritual killing but rather encoureging of war crimes and mass killing. It is spoken by a prophite and not by god himself (unlike Deuteronomy).
The thing you got to understand inJudaism, is that its not like christianity. There is a book of rules (Deuteronomy), our mytholigy (Torah) and the rest is a description of our history. Dont take any statement as a rule.
Sorry for the triple post, but i thought leviticus is another book, these latin names confuse me (Im used for the original hebrew ones). Forget what i said about Leviticus.
The fact that human sacrifice fell out of favour does not change the fact that it had been in favour.
Judaism only mention Sacrafice in the holy temple (Not anywher else), Of livestock and Cropses.
These would be living creatures; creatures which can be regarded as the creations of God. Therefore, R1a2z3e4 is incorrect in stating that "No religion gives the permisson to kill the creatures made by the god."
Well, In kings 13, Yerbaham talk about an altar for a diffrunete god, o its isnt Judaisem encoureging human sacrefice.
How does that change things? It still seems to be talking about those sacrifices being for the Abrahamic God.
The second one i cant excuse in any way. Its not Ritual killing but rather encoureging of war crimes and mass killing. It is spoken by a prophite and not by god himself (unlike Deuteronomy).
But it does seems to get turned at least in part ritualistic with the whole place becoming a burnt offering.
No but I think those who are very enthusiastic about killing animals in the name of religion or for food must await similar punishment after death. Animals have right to live too. I also don't support sacrafice of humans but if they are doing with there will so its other thing. There is no need to sacrafice instead of doing this do good works, the god will be more happy by doing this. (Same goes for FishPreffered.)
You were just decrying humanity as immoral. Now you're using it to assert morality?
Please explain...
I was not asking why you believe they are wrong. I was asking why you believe what they are doing is wrong.
First of all by doing this they will destroy there own race and other races too, that's why I believe what they are doing is wrong. And recheck your question because you have asked me "I'm asking you why you believe them to be wrong..
This makes no sense whatsoever. The word "Humanity" has no use by itself. Why do you insist upon invoking it as though it were a rational counter-argument?
"The word "Humanity" has no use by itself." :- Really? It is rational counter-argument because it is happening world-wide and can be dangerous if we don't take it seriously. Not only to the humans but every living creature on Earth.
"No religion gives the permisson to kill the creatures made by the god."
really? Do you really think that? just every religion is not known by you people. The Religion also a unknown religion also called Hindu think there is a also religion which The Sheep's are killed.
Well that was a fail for a ALL SEEING ALL POWERFUL god
Really think again we are really not doing this for god but we are doing this for ourselves we kill our own species and making our existence to disperser.....
No but I think those who are very enthusiastic about killing animals in the name of religion or for food must await similar punishment after death.
If you kill animals for food, and only kill what you need to eat, there is no reason to be punished. Whether you enjoy it or not should not make a difference.
Although I always liked the romantic image of the native American killing a buffalo and thanking its spirit for the food provided. Still, I don't think that's necessary.
