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Well, actually *pulls down handy reference chart* the perception of thought has nothing to do with it.

Sensation is a self-evident phenomenon, and therefore independent of any real or ficticious action on the part of the observer. If we suppose that our thought is itself a product of thought, have we not just demonstrated the existence of thought, and through this, a thinker? Even if it is only a belief that the agent thinks, it can only exist as such under the provision that an agent exists to believe it. Being is therefore an experiential, as well as an epistemological, subject and cannot be challenged by any questioning of the reality of thought.

Maybe.

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All of the above, in short.

Cogito ergo sum.

Reality is a lie *sits* we are never going to get out of this place, all of this is a lie, everything is a lie

All of the above, in short.

Cogito ergo sum.

It is cogito ergo sum plus more. I was just trying to explain it in a simpler way. Although the veracity and type of input varies, it is all real in that it exists in some form, even of it isn't as it is falsely trying to be. This is proven through the fact that it is processed through thought and, of course, the basic concept of cogito ergo sum is that nothing else is certain, it could all be some sort of illusion or imagined existence but as you are thinking about it, there is the certainty that your consciousness exists as otherwise, you could not think. I don't know how well I have explained it but this is correct, right?

we are Forumnauts (with pride), it means the answer is never something very complex, it's always something simple and short, that's one of the ideas of being a forumnaut (with pride)... is the answer "Cogito ergo sum"?

I don't know how well I have explained it but this is correct, right?

But what is self?

I'm very glad you asked! *pulls down another chart*

The self is any observer that exists in reality.

That's it.

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*puts away chart*

*sigh*

I'm a forumnaut with pride

I... errr... *sigh*... oh... I forgot who I am... I hope you're happy now, you made me forget who I am, Fish! I have to check my "history" to remember... but I don't remember how to check it... meh, I'll be a new person... I must...

I am Swarmlord2. I have a unicorn called Mr Rainbow and I am trying to work out the answer.

We were getting closer and closer to the answer, we have to think more about it, so, I ask everyone here:

who... are... you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdLIerfXuZ4

who... are... you?

I'm doqck. If there's one thing I love doing here, it's to blow my way up to the forum games' objeqcktives.

Yes, I guess that's good, hopefully we are getting closer to the answer (which may not be an answer but a question, an item, a drop, a boss fight, a reward...)

Is FishPreferred's self the same as armorplayergc's self?

No; in order to be the same self, we would have to be the same observer. I used the singular because different selfs can't be verified by deduction. I can verify through observation that I have a self, he can likely verify his, yet neither of us would be able to verify each other and simply taking my or his word for it doesn't work in the scenario of being radically deceived. To the extent of your knowledge, the only self you can use for deduction is you.