ForumsWEPRWhich came first, the chicken or the Egg.Is the answer just common sense?

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crimsonblade55
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The classic argument over which came first.I wanted to bring this up, because I was thinking a little bit and realized something.Why do scientist believe that the egg came first, if it had no mother to lay it, then keep it warm, and also after the eggs hatched they would have no way of surviving on their own without a parent to take care of them.So why do some scientist think this way when it is common sense that the chicken came first.I want to here your opinions on this matter.

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drakokirby
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Also, the egg is something that is easier to break. They would probably have the chicken first since it can make so many eggs in so little time. Logical and it supports the chickens.

tempo013
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programpro, your math is confusing

Programpro
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The chicken could of evolved and while in the evolving processed, made an egg.


Evolution isn't like, there was a creature, and, halfway through its life, it glowed and grew and a message said "your primitive bird evolved into... a chicken!"

Evolution is when a baby from a species is born with a "mutation," or something different about it, which seperates it as a species.

Still egg.
Programpro
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programpro, your math is confusing


Shhh! I'm trying to psyche my opponents out!
silentclore
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It has to be the chicken #1: It's first in the sentence eh eh?? Some first grader probably made this up anyway not knowing how superior of a question it was. #2: Theoretically It's the chicken because what laid the egg? Also I like this because appeals to both creation and evolution.

tempo013
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you psyched me out easy

Programpro
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Theoretically It's the chicken because what laid the egg?


The egg was layed by whatever species the chicken mutated (evolved) from.
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In nature, living things evolve through changes in their DNA. In an animal like a chicken, DNA from a male sperm cell and a female ovum meet and combine to form a zygote -- the first cell of a new baby chicken. This first cell divides innumerable times to form all of the cells of the complete animal. In any animal, every cell contains exactly the same DNA, and that DNA comes from the zygote.

Chickens evolved from non-chickens through small changes caused by the mixing of male and female DNA or by mutations to the DNA that produced the zygote. These changes and mutations only have an effect at the point where a new zygote is created. That is, two non-chickens mated and the DNA in their new zygote contained the mutation(s) that produced the first true chicken. That one zygote cell divided to produce the first true chicken.

Prior to that first true chicken zygote, there were only non-chickens. The zygote cell is the only place where DNA mutations could produce a new animal, and the zygote cell is housed in the chicken's egg. So, the egg must have come first.


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tempo013
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good job pyro, icing on the cake. EGG WINS!

thepyro222
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thank you, thank you. *takes bow*

Drace
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Programo your math uberly fails.

First of all, you can't state that for creationalism it is half and half.

Also, there are more possibilities then just creation or evolution.

And...Who is to say that if it has a higher chance then it wins?
It could of been 99 to 1, but the chicken could still win.

Everything is by chance, nothing is impossible.

Estel
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Yea, that math is quite...not pertaining to the situation, sorry!

@Drace, how could there be more possibilities than creationism and evolution?

I also don't see it as a possibility question, it either is or isn't, or both! I believe in both creationism and evolution. And nothing is impossible especially for our present intelligence :P

Drace
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Drace, how could there be more possibilities than creationism and evolution?


Ehh...long time ago, there was a cube which held all power!
With the cube, you could make a fully grown chicken in an egg!
Theres just some things we can't think of.
Logic is thought, we haven't seen it all.

And nothing is impossible especially for our present intelligence :P


So little. Ever watched Men in black II?
Remember at the end of the movie, when Will Smith says "I feel bad for them and their tiny world" and the guy opens up a door, and he sees that there is a MUCH bigger world outside of them...
Craze77
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Its the chicken of course.

Programpro
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Craze, elaborate.

Let me revise my math-based statement:

~Egg is more likely~

There.

And I, like estel, believe in both but I still think it's the egg. My arguments are listed earlier in the post (pages 3-4), and I would like one of you chicken people to please argue against my points rather than just state yours. I already counterargued yours, now let's see what you can say to mine.

Oh, and saying "We will never know" doesn't help anyone, so please don't.

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