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who thinks communism is good, bad , or misunderstood?
i think communism was currupt by that monster Stalin an therefore, it became hard for that form of government to be truely used as Marx had intended it.

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Plaxi17
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The idea of communism is the ideal goverment, limited only by the people. China in the 50-70's and Cuba currently could have been a great place, but morphed into somewhat more of a dictatorship. Totalitarianism is not the effect of Communism, but rather a communist leader completely obessesed with his/her country. If a totalitarian is a regular citizen, it means that nothing really happens to the country, and everything can run smoothly as long as the communist isnt greedy....

frogger
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I think TRUE communism can never happen b/c its a utopian type society

Plaxi17
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Everything's possible if people are willing to put aside selfishness and greed to help it. And that will probably never happen, so quite possibly youre right

frogger
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i don't think everyone would give up their greed for the best for all.espesially CEOs.*ribbit*

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The idea of communism is the ideal goverment, limited only by the people. China in the 50-70's and Cuba currently could have been a great place, but morphed into somewhat more of a dictatorship. Totalitarianism is not the effect of Communism, but rather a communist leader completely obessesed with his/her country. If a totalitarian is a regular citizen, it means that nothing really happens to the country, and everything can run smoothly as long as the communist isnt greedy....


That is still presupposing much. To lead a revolution, there must be a strong leader, intelligent and charismatic enough to take control. Let's be real here, a regular citizen cannot adequately lead a revolution. History has shown that one of the vices of a leader is mediocrity, because ineptness can be easily overthrown but mediocrity will continue to stay in power and bungle things up. Does a regular citizen also have the self-control it takes to not get caught up in their power? It seems preposterous that power can corrupt so much, but it does. That is what happened to China. Could China have been successful in the 50s-70s? Not with their hardline Communist attitudes, because they would not be accepted by the rest of the capitalist world. They also had tons to repair: a land broken by war against the Japanese and against each other, poverty everywhere, broken pride, the suspicion leading up to the Cultural Revolution...I do not believe that the Chinese ideology of the time would have been able to beget a "great place."
Plaxi17
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I was'nt suggesting a revolution, simply saying that Totalitarianism is not a direct result of communism, and only happens when the totalitarian is able to lead people into believing him.

frogger
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I was'nt suggesting a revolution.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that either.
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tis should be locked everyonehas their own beliefes

frogger
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no, i hink its fine for evryone to give their honest oppion on communism and also no one has the same idea for everything.

Parsat
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I was'nt suggesting a revolution, simply saying that Totalitarianism is not a direct result of communism, and only happens when the totalitarian is able to lead people into believing him.


The point of communism is revolution. Without revolution, there is no communism, or at least no Marxist communism. To understand the totalitarianism, the revolution that begets communism must be taken into consideration.
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The communist ideology really has no connection with the totalitarianism. My guess is that it exists since the conditions have always been hard on the countries, and to make it all better, the leaders have found it that being authoritative gets things done.

This was Stalin's case. To make up for the "backwardness of Russia", he called for massive industrialization.

Also, the Communist Parties have never really been popular, so its hard not to be authoritative...


tis should be locked everyonehas their own beliefes


Thats why the thread exists...to discuss them :-$
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Oh, my grandparents on my mom's side escaped communism in Hungary (they didn't meet each while they tried to escape)
I think communism really bad, the way my grandparents explained it.

Parsat
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The communist ideology really has no connection with the totalitarianism. My guess is that it exists since the conditions have always been hard on the countries, and to make it all better, the leaders have found it that being authoritative gets things done.


At its strictest, totalitarianism means that the state regulates everything. Considering how the USSR, China, Cuba, and Vietnam all saw heavy regulation of virtually all aspects of life by the government, communism has oftentimes resulted in totalitarianism. I'm unclear on how Marxist philosophy is supposed to fit with it, but I suppose his "dictatorship of the proletariat" could be interpreted in a way that without heavy regulation, the proletariat cannot make sure that what they were doing would lead to that classless, moneyless society.
Drace
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@Parsat,

Totalitarianism by that definition fits the Soviet Union up until the late 1960s. But the image one receives from totalitarianism is quite delusional.

Oh, my grandparents on my mom's side escaped communism in Hungary (they didn't meet each while they tried to escape)
I think communism really bad, the way my grandparents explained it.


Hungary was never communist o.O...
Parsat
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Hungary was never communist


Hungary was very much a part of the Communist eastern bloc.
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