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jonnypants23
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I know alot of people avoid thees posts about GOD and Heaven but I just want to know peoples oppions about heaven.Do you belive there is a heaven and if you do what do you think its like?

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MageGrayWolf
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God can do anything in a split second . He is all powerful and he DID make the earth in 7 days .


This raises the question, if God can do anything in a split second why did he take 7 days to make the Earth?

If God did create the Earth in such a time span this also suggests a dishonest God. Given the evidence suggests a much longer time for formation not just of the Earth but for the conditions for this planet to exist. If this God does exist and did create the Earth in 7 days he would have also had to put in place all the evidence that suggests a much longer time frame.
Even if we look at the Biblical time span of a day to God (which if I'm not to mistaken says 1000 years= 1 day God time) This is still for short of what the evidence suggests.

i want to go to heaven


I would like to have some kind of after life myself where I get to be reunited with the people I care about who have passed on. Based on the evidence at hand it would appear not to be the case.
WexMajor82
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So, let me get this straight: a man, let's call him Bob, is very evil and rotten to the core; but he is also a coward, and the prospect of getting an eternity of punishment for his 75 years of sinning sounded bad. So he behaves according to the rules of "getting in heaven", hating himself every moment of his life. Then he dies, like we all do;
Does he get in heaven? How could we be sure that once he's got his reward won't go berserk or starts having the so called "forbidden sex"?
What will be of Bob?

cowmaster1
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he'll probably be in purgatory for a long long long etc. time. the first step of getting there is wanting to. if he doesn't actually wanna go, then hell it is

WexMajor82
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So the fear of punishment, will eventually grant Bob heaven?
Doesn't this sound a little bit weird to you?
I mean: why the church used - and keeps using - fear to make people behave?
How could Bob not being still evil?

cowmaster1
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im pretty sure alot of governments do that too. Purgatory isnt the funnest place in the world. You suffer there too and dont go to heaven until you are ready to see God.

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Purgatory doesn't exist. Show me one verse about it in the bible. What's that, you can't? Last I checked the Catechism wasn't the authority on all of Christendom.

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MageGrayWolf
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Purgatory doesn't exist. Show me one verse about it in the bible. What's that, you can't? Last I checked the Catechism wasn't the authority on all of Christendom.


Apparently the concept came from the belief that praying for someone who recently died would help increase there odds of getting into Heaven. This belief was based on 2 Maccabees 12:42-46.
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if heaven exists then id end up in hell... its because im an atheist

P.s GO ATHEISTS

WexMajor82
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Purgatory isnt the funnest place in the world. You suffer there too and dont go to heaven until you are ready to see God.

And what about if Bob grew a pair of ba** and became ready to face god to kick him - her or it - in the face?
Being in a awful place for a long time could have made Bob even a bitter person.
cowmaster1
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then hell it is.

MageGrayWolf
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the first step of getting there is wanting to. if he doesn't actually wanna go, then hell it is


Well in this hypothetical scenario Bob was doing things he did really want to do all because he thought it would help get him into heaven. So clearly this person would already want to go to heaven.
WexMajor82
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So, you're saying that you can be evil and still be in heaven?

balerion07
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No such thing. El Shaddai is just and all evil will be consumed in flame. However he is merciful to those that turn to Christ seeking redemption and it is the blood of Christ that washes away all sins and they become no more as they are lost in the sea of forgetfulness.

cowmaster1
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So, you're saying that you can be evil and still be in heaven?

how do you define evil?
from what i see, if he doesnt wanna go to hell, wants to go to heaven, but has a really messed up life, then he gets a heck of a long time in purgatory and is not evil.
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i like reincarnation. seems more fun because then you can know what u did wrong and fix it so that you can have a better life

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