Proposition 8 was the bill voted on by California voters over gay marriage. The bill, if passed, would ban gay marriage and nullify over 18,000 marriages in the state. The campaign for the bill turned nasty. Both sides raised over $35 million, the most ever for a single issue bill. In the end, about 52% of the population voted for Proposition 8, thus taking away the rights of gays in California.
What shocked me the most was which group was most responsible for the bill being passed. Was is the Whites? Nope. Latinos? Nope. The Religious community? Nope. They all voted about 50/50 on the bill. In fact, almost every group voted 50/50, except for African Americans. Over 70% of African Americans voted for the bill, thus swinging the pendulum against gay rights.
I find it awfully Ironic that just 40-50 years ago, the blacks were struggling for rights in America. They had to use separate facilities, restaurants, schools, and bathrooms. They were second class citizens. âSeparate but Equalâ was the slogan to justify this racist and nasty system. It took the African American community over 100 years to tear down these walls and be granted equality. Slowly, but surely, racism is dying in America. All races are free to be in the same places as Whites. Any person of any race, color, ethnicity, background, or religion can marry whomever they want. Because of heroes like Martin Luther King Jr, Rosa Parks, W.E.B. Du Bois, and thousands of others, minority groups have gained freedom.
Now, gays are fighting the same struggle. Millions of gays around the United States are not allowed to marry the person they love. They are treated like second class citizens. They have to worry about constant threats of violence, isolation of friends and family, and condemnation of religious groups. With the state of things, the gays might as well be labeled âSeparate but Equal.â
One would think that African Americans would sympathize with the gay rights movement. Both have been held back due to genetics. Both have been oppressed. Both have suffered violence, brutality, murder, and hatred. Yet it is now the African Americans who are shooting down gay rights.
African Americans who were interviewed on the topic were seen wearing âObamaâ shirts, hats, or other gear. They supported Obama all the way. Yet when it came to gay rights, a supposed Liberal issue, they were violently opposed. Many interviewees were getting upset at the slightest thought of allowing gays to marry. When asked the difference between the Civil Rights Movement and the Gay Rights Movement, they usually responded with something like, âItâs just differentâ or âItâs not natural.â 50 years ago, it was ânot naturalâ for blacks to have rights in America. So how are gay rights any different?
There is no logic, justification, or sense in voting for Proposition 8, especially in the African American community. They went through the same oppression, and are now the oppressors. I am assuming I will be labeled a racist for writing this. That is okay. I am not a racist. I just seek the truth in the issues. And the truth is that the people who were formerly oppressed, are now the oppressors.
(NOTE: I know not all African-Americanâs voted for proposition 8, so don't think I'm blaming the entire group. I am only blaming those who voted for the bill. I also know that everyone who voted for the bill is to blame for the intolerance. But this is just to point out the hypocrisy on the African American vote).
@JesusPriest: Well, I have personal experience with whether it is a choice or not. I know it isn't. Is it possible for you to provide any evidence that it is a choice? And I do see the difference in the questions, but that does not devalue my point. This is not like a prove/disprove that God exists matter. kris and others have already posted bunches of evidence that there are different processes than conscious thought involved in whether or not a person is gay. It's all in the homosexuality thread. I still haven't seen any evidence whatsoever that it is a choice. Therefore, I ask for it.
If you choose to smoke crack, than you do it, its a choice. But if you keep doing it, it becomes a habit, and a habit is hard to break, if you really want to. So, if you go gay for a day, you would be able to easily quit, but it takes alot of free will to stop something you've been doing for a long time. If your gay and you really dont want to be gay, than you need more willpower, but you shouldnt need to change yourself for others in the first place. Just do what you want, if you have the willpower.
Oh, I see were you're coming from now... Wanting or feeling something, and actually acting on that, are two different things. Expressing homosexual behaviour, can be called a conscious decision (though... oh never mind that).
lol, thanks Zophia. I am not completely obsessed with a single view so I try to find arguments for both, bring them up, and see what other feel about them, I think its better to explore both sides, than to ignorantly and stubbornly stick with one.
Oh about mating, I was saying if you can't reproduce. But ya, marriage isn't just for people who want to have babies, so...failed argument.
About the population thing, the populations are fine right now. If we get to the point that Russia is in, that is when we'll have to Hump to it. lol but for now the United states is at a good balance for the most part.
The whole world isn't going to go gay btw, there are a few deviations from the norm. There always are and it's inevitable, and since if there is a deviation, the only other possibility is being attracted to the same sex (or other animals, inanimate objects, etc.....this happens too, but is less publicized) It is normal to see deviations in our universe, and so homosexuals occur, but that doesn't mean everyone will go gay. If they do, then it was obviously meant to be.
Being gay is a combination of either being born with a different wiring (genetics) or developing in such a manner that causes homosexual desire. As a person grows their brains are wired by the things they learn, their experiences, and their thoughts. So whether to a larger or smaller extent humans develop their sexuality by being born with predispositions and/or developing a alternative sexuality.
lol, thanks Zophia. I am not completely obsessed with a single view so I try to find arguments for both, bring them up, and see what other feel about them, I think its better to explore both sides, than to ignorantly and stubbornly stick with one.
Cenere will be happy to know he isn't the only one practicing that kind of discussion. I try too - but I tend to cling to my own views and defend them, rather than actively seeking out information from all perspectives. I always listen when others do, though.
Naw, I can't argue with the rest of your post.
But... Even if the things people learn affect them as they grow up, it does not mean they will necessarily follow what they learn. But; homosexuals raised in an open-minded environment are more likely to be self confident and dare to admit their orientation, than those in a hostile one...
... Wouldn't everything be easier if everyone was just bisexual... Just a little...
Ya, very true nothing is certain, I was just stating that your environment, interactions, and treatment during your development shapes your psyche.
Haha thats funny. I think that is going to be the future (probably not near), where homosexuality will be an okay thing, and people will enjoy themselves sexually (if they are into that) with both sexes, before settling down and getting married. And it won't be frowned upon.
Weird contrast to how it is, and how it has been in the past.
Well, African-Americans are actually normal. Yes, i am calling gays ab normal. They go directly against the Bible and the Koran Tanakh. They are also bio-logically unacceptable.
Also, you cannot compare the black revolution to the gay "revolution".
The blacks were giving worse living conditions, treated horribly, beat up on streets, forced to work in cotton fields and much more. They were sold as slaves and beaten and families were torn apart by it.
All the gays want is the right the break the religious and Bio-logical law.
don't hate your betters. no i don't like lezzies but it is more socially acceptable as they can still biologicaly breed by themselves. And as too why its right is becaue all people with mental probles we lock up in an insane asylum. homosexuality is in the mind thus we know that they are a perversion of nature.
No i don't like lesbians but they are more socially acceptable. They can still biologically breed through female ejaculation. And as to why they got it right. Well homosexuality is a perversion of nature, it is all in the head. We lock up people with mental problems so it stands to reason lock up the gay people too, it after all is a mental disease.
