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thelistman
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Proposition 8 was the bill voted on by California voters over gay marriage. The bill, if passed, would ban gay marriage and nullify over 18,000 marriages in the state. The campaign for the bill turned nasty. Both sides raised over $35 million, the most ever for a single issue bill. In the end, about 52% of the population voted for Proposition 8, thus taking away the rights of gays in California.

What shocked me the most was which group was most responsible for the bill being passed. Was is the Whites? Nope. Latinos? Nope. The Religious community? Nope. They all voted about 50/50 on the bill. In fact, almost every group voted 50/50, except for African Americans. Over 70% of African Americans voted for the bill, thus swinging the pendulum against gay rights.

I find it awfully Ironic that just 40-50 years ago, the blacks were struggling for rights in America. They had to use separate facilities, restaurants, schools, and bathrooms. They were second class citizens. âSeparate but Equalâ was the slogan to justify this racist and nasty system. It took the African American community over 100 years to tear down these walls and be granted equality. Slowly, but surely, racism is dying in America. All races are free to be in the same places as Whites. Any person of any race, color, ethnicity, background, or religion can marry whomever they want. Because of heroes like Martin Luther King Jr, Rosa Parks, W.E.B. Du Bois, and thousands of others, minority groups have gained freedom.

Now, gays are fighting the same struggle. Millions of gays around the United States are not allowed to marry the person they love. They are treated like second class citizens. They have to worry about constant threats of violence, isolation of friends and family, and condemnation of religious groups. With the state of things, the gays might as well be labeled âSeparate but Equal.â

One would think that African Americans would sympathize with the gay rights movement. Both have been held back due to genetics. Both have been oppressed. Both have suffered violence, brutality, murder, and hatred. Yet it is now the African Americans who are shooting down gay rights.

African Americans who were interviewed on the topic were seen wearing âObamaâ shirts, hats, or other gear. They supported Obama all the way. Yet when it came to gay rights, a supposed Liberal issue, they were violently opposed. Many interviewees were getting upset at the slightest thought of allowing gays to marry. When asked the difference between the Civil Rights Movement and the Gay Rights Movement, they usually responded with something like, âItâs just differentâ or âItâs not natural.â 50 years ago, it was ânot naturalâ for blacks to have rights in America. So how are gay rights any different?

There is no logic, justification, or sense in voting for Proposition 8, especially in the African American community. They went through the same oppression, and are now the oppressors. I am assuming I will be labeled a racist for writing this. That is okay. I am not a racist. I just seek the truth in the issues. And the truth is that the people who were formerly oppressed, are now the oppressors.

(NOTE: I know not all African-Americanâs voted for proposition 8, so don't think I'm blaming the entire group. I am only blaming those who voted for the bill. I also know that everyone who voted for the bill is to blame for the intolerance. But this is just to point out the hypocrisy on the African American vote).

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Zophia
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No i don't like lesbians but they are more socially acceptable. They can still biologically breed through female ejaculation. And as to why they got it right. Well homosexuality is a perversion of nature, it is all in the head. We lock up people with mental problems so it stands to reason lock up the gay people too, it after all is a mental disease.
I am tempted to agree with Zootsuit... But I'll deal with it.
Female ejaculations are first of all not made of sperm. It is fluids, squirted via the urethra (no, it's not pee, it just exits that way), and they do not contain any reproductive cells. Not all women are able to squirt, btw.
It is in no way possible for two of the exact same gender* to reproduce naturally.
*: I reject to the gender binary.

Second, you should watch your steps when you decide to call something a mental disease. There is a big difference between a disease, a disorder, and a deviation.
Zophia
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It is in no way possible for two of the exact same gender* to reproduce naturally.
*: I reject to the gender binary.
I see an error in my wording. Two true hermaphrodites if an equal degree would be able to reproduce... But I think they're the only exception.
master256
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in an ovaric variation common among the indeluit tribe it is possible for ssr(same sex reproduction). it is also found in the andean mountains and the fertile belt.

wowmstr13
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I think if two people love eachother, no matter what gender, they should be allowed to express that love in a religious bonding of marriage.

master256
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dirgennisis would disagree there. lol

Zophia
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in an ovaric variation common among the indeluit tribe it is possible for ssr(same sex reproduction). it is also found in the andean mountains and the fertile belt.
Could you possibly provide a link to an article about this? I personally find it hard to believe, but I can't reject it completely based on what you've said.
master256
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I wouldn't have a link. My mom is a nurse with presbertyrian in abq and I am homeschooled so I read her textbooks for my version of health biology and anatomy. but i could look for you if you wanted.

Zophia
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I would actually want that... It's a mutation that is quite unusual, so I'm rather interested in getting to know about it...

master256
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ok ill be sure to check for the next few days.

Midnightday
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To go back to what thelistman was saying. . . I agree with him. You would think that black people would sympathize with gays, especially over civil rights issues. Especially considering that multiracial couples were banned to get married from as early as 1691 to as late as 1967. So clearly the idea of marriage has been changing over time.

Also the idea that it is unnatural to raise a child without just a mother and father isn't valid. There are single parent home, are those families unnatural? And children who were raised by two people of the same sex that turn out fine.

Danstanta
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I don't have a problem with Gays but it should be the Traditional way.

GreatestSoloEver
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Cant you guys just let gays be gays let minorities be minorities and just all get along?

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ONLY WHITE MEN DISERVE RIGHTS LIKE IN THE OLDEN DAYS

d_dude
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...wtf???

TotalReview
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Oh great, another thread like this. All it causes is flaming and arguing. Oh well, I'll respond to one comment.

I don't have a problem with Gays but it should be the Traditional way.


Your sentence was good until the last half. There is no such thing as a "traditional" way. Notice how different families have different traditions.

Danstanta, the following part is not completely directed at you.

People need to stop looking for a way to make people look "not normal". Sorry, but no one is normal in everyone's eyes. We all have different views of each other. You are not perfect and most definitely not normal. Instead of criticizing others, embrace them for being strong enough to express their differences while you keep yours bottled up. As much as you want to fit in, is it worth it to push others out?

Thanks.
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