Yes. I belive that there is a god somewhere in the stars, and I belive that if you go to church, and repent your sins, you will go up to heaven. And if not, you may still go to heaven unless you have sinned many times and never repneted. Repenting is easy. Just Pray to god: "Dear god, i have sinned. can you forgive me?" And BOOM! thats it. sins are repented.
The organic monomers that are formed in the experiment ARE the beginning. Those amino acids are not all that are formed, merely some, but those amino acids chain together to create proteins, which are the building blocks of life to begin with.
The use of natural selection to justify the creation of proteins from organic molecules is wrong, wrong, and wrong again. Natural selection is: "Natural selection is the process by which favorable heritable traits become more common in successive generations of a population of reproducing organisms, and unfavorable heritable traits become less common, due to differential reproduction of genotypes." Amino acids do not reproduce; they cannot be selected by natural selection, which deals with genetic variation in a population. Furthermore, the connection of amino acids to form a protein is most definitely not spontaneous, and the hostile atmosphere of the so-called "rimordial soup" would also be most inconducive to the longevity of the amino acids.
Heh, we're getting into the nitty gritty semantics of molecular evolution, whatever the heck that is.
...Amino acids do not reproduce; they cannot be selected by natural selection, which deals with genetic variation in a population...
For those of you who don't understand that, the lowdown is "don't confuse the map with the road before you start driving." i.e. make sure you are aware of a concept's context before falsely attributing characteristics it shouldn't have.
Amino Acid = Heavy Compounds, which are made from many elements. These form together to create cells, from polypeptides and proteins. The Big Bang first created the lightest elements, Hydrogen, Helium, Lithium, from 1.0087 Mass, to around an estimated 15 Mass. These elements eventually got heavier and changed properties due to heavy, excruciating heat. This tells you where the elements came from, the amino acids that were made from it much, much later, and how organisms came to be, much, much later.
Thanks for giving me a quick review lesson by the way =P
You're actually right in saying that I shouldn't have stated that natural selection should have taken over. I used the wrong term in my thoughts.
My main point, however, still remains. Amino acids were not ALL that is formed, hence the term organic monomers. Depending on what you mean by "spontaneous", they DO simply perform reactions with one another until we get further chains, or polymers. Is it a hospitable environment at first? No, hence chemical evolution taking its toll until we get a little better at it, then a little better, then a little better, etc.
The phospholipids that form our cell membranes have been shown to spontaneously arrange themselves in their shapes, so it's not out of the question to assume that that's what happened either.
Let's be clear, though. No one knows exactly how life began. Abiogenesis is probably more speculative than most scientists like to admit. Still, that doesn't mean that we should automatically assume that since we do not yet understand it, the pendulum must swing to the other side, intelligent design.
Hey, you know, sure, no one knows if god exists, sure, no one has proof if he exists, but hey, you can feel him by u and if you r a strong beliver, he creats miracles. Like just a couple days ago, my mom dropped a bottle of Vodka on the floor right by my face 'cause i was petting my cats, but i belive god gave me a little help with that because the glass shards stopped right before my eyes were impailed by them. And if u don't call that a mirical, than i don't know what is...
Miracles aren't very special and they aren't proof of a divine entity's existence. Take, for example, a deadly new form of cancer. One-thousand people are afflicted with it and all are told they have a 0.1% chance of survival. All of their families gather around them to pray. In the end, nine-hundred and ninety-nine patients die; one survives. He is interviewed by Reader's Digest magazine and he is touted as an example of a miracle. Is he really? No. The chance that none of the one-thousand to die is 36.77% (.999^1000), thus it is likely that someone will survive. With any set of large numbers, there will always be an anomaly in the system. When unlikely things happen we find it notable, whereas likely things go unnoticed. Given the shear number of events that take place in our lives. The probability that an unlikely thing will happen is very high. Given that a "miracle" is an event do rare that it occurs one in a million time we can suppose as follows. A person experiences one thing per second and they are actively alert eight to nine hours a day. Consequently, every thirty-one to thirty-five days, about a month, a person will experience a "miracle." This is known as Littlewood's Law. To point out the one rare thing that happens within a myriad of other events is observational bias.
But seriously, there is no physical evidence that explicitly screams "I'm GOD!!" but there is a great deal of emperical evidence to the existence of God, and specifically the Judeo-Christian God. Renee Girard, the modern French philosopher, makes the most solid argument I have found. His argument is much, MUCH deeper than this, but I'll try to provide a simple explination:
In a nutshell his argument states that pre-christian history is cyclical, with each cycle ending in a crisis of undifferentiation that can only be relieved through the scapegoating of someone. These make up the myths of ancient societies. The crucifixion of Christ should have been one of these events, but the scapegoating of the one perfect individual failed to convince people of his guilt, leading to the break in cyclical history and the beginning of linear history.
Just had to clarify one thing i saw floating around this thread as said by a couple people. Church is a vital part of any christians walk with the Lord. Perhaps you should be reading your bible a bit more?? Its pretty explicit in saying that in order to grow you must have a home church.
Just had to clarify one thing i saw floating around this thread as said by a couple people. Church is a vital part of any christians walk with the Lord. Perhaps you should be reading your bible a bit more?? Its pretty explicit in saying that in order to grow you must have a home church.
My best reply to Littlewood's Law and a proof of a deity would be that his definition of miracles vastly understates the type of miracles someone like Jesus did. A miracle is best defined as something that is an interruption of the laws of nature. The occurrence of identical triplets, an event with a chance of one in a million, is very uncommon. You can call it miraculous, but it does follow the laws of inheritance and the processes of fertilization. However, Jesus demonstrated his ability to perform miracles that defied the laws of nature: turning water into wine, walking on water, raising the dead, and curing disease. The miracles he did have an almost zero probability of happening, but he made them happen consistently. If seeing all these miracles happening by his hands wouldn't sway your opinion of a deity, I wouldn't know what would.
