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Evolution definitely exist. Evolving is how things survive. I just think that a bunch of religious nuts blow it out of proportion. If something is born white in a dark area, they will most likely die. It takes slight defects and mutations over thousands of years to evolve.

I'm not religios, at all. I actually consider myself Atheist. From what I see and study, all the religions that have ever existed, took the ideas from some religion before it. Then in each religion are multiple groups of people, because they think that they are right and the other person is wrong. Keep in mind that the bible was put together by Human Beings, not this god you all believe in. It's even known fact that tons of gospels were omitted from the bible because they did not appeal to the religion at the time. Hell the Judas Gospel actually portraits Judas a good friend, but shows human flaws so they couldn't have that. In the Gospel, Jesus had asked Judas to "rat him out" in order for the whole martyr plan to go into action. Judas was reluctant to do it, since Jesus was a close friend, but eventually came to the decision to do it. After ratting Jesus out, Judas actually hangs himself because he is racked with guilt from what he had done.

My point being is, why defend religion and creationism when it's pretty much just based off of what someone wrote down from what someone said from what they remember? Hell the first Gospel was written over around 100-200 years, i think, after Jesus had already been dead. Many thinks can be sewed there.

Science actually gives us evidence and fact as to what happend. They don't say "oh, we just popped out of thin air one day and were what we are now, human." Science asks how did we get here, and obviously there were beings here, long before us so something happened before that. Then they give theories as to what it could be or how it may have happened. Religion doesn't state any fact, it's all he said/she said.

Samy seems to be the only civilized being here.... Not saying he is all right, but he have actually gotten a clue of, how people should debate... There might not be much, if any signs of creationism being real, thus making it ridiculed by all the hard core evolutionists. Not a very scientific way of handling it.
The question of this topic is not is creationism should be taught on the same basis as evolution, merely is evolution should be the only theory taugh.
Would it hurt so much to have a project about creationism, to widen your horizon and thus coming aware of other theories?
Seemingly, you think the whole univers would collaps, if other than evolution is taught...

Midpoint-oppions:
Hard core evolutionists: EVOLUTION IS THE ONLY TRUTH!

Hard core creationists: CREATIONISM IS THE ONLY TRUTH!

The rest of us: Evolution is the main subject, but widening your horizon would not hurt. Teaching a little creationism would be okay. More knowledge bring more things you do not know (paradow of knowledge).

I'm not religios, at all. I actually consider myself Atheist. From what I see and study, all the religions that have ever existed, took the ideas from some religion before it. Then in each religion are multiple groups of people, because they think that they are right and the other person is wrong. Keep in mind that the bible was put together by Human Beings, not this god you all believe in. It's even known fact that tons of gospels were omitted from the bible because they did not appeal to the religion at the time. Hell the Judas Gospel actually portraits Judas a good friend, but shows human flaws so they couldn't have that. In the Gospel, Jesus had asked Judas to "rat him out" in order for the whole martyr plan to go into action. Judas was reluctant to do it, since Jesus was a close friend, but eventually came to the decision to do it. After ratting Jesus out, Judas actually hangs himself because he is racked with guilt from what he had done.

Science actually gives us evidence and fact as to what happend. They don't say "oh, we just popped out of thin air one day and were what we are now, human." Science asks how did we get here, and obviously there were beings here, long before us so something happened before that. Then they give theories as to what it could be or how it may have happened. Religion doesn't state any fact, it's all he said/she said.

Creationism is a scientific theory, which means that it has scientific evidence that suggests the possibility that that theory is true. Evolution is also a scientific theory.

I have a serious question. Is evolution taught at private schools? I'm just wondering. There aren't any private schools in my area, so I don't have a chance to ask anyone else.

Religions, of course. In my personal opinion, that's part of the reason why people believe: they need to have a way to understand.

Would it hurt so much to have a project about creationism, to widen your horizon and thus coming aware of other theories?

Evolution is the main subject, but widening your horizon would not hurt. Teaching a little creationism would be okay. More knowledge bring more things you do not know

No. I believe in the Big Bang theory. The question is, what catalyzed it? How was the matter created? How did it lead to the universe as we know it today? That is science, the why of what. But what answers these questions most satisfactorily?

Because they would be teaching religion in a science class. And teaching one religion or religious theory over another violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

BTW I had to change the title.

Evolution is not an "origin of life" theory.

@Carlie: Not saying it should be mroe than a project, really. I did one in high school, ended up telling about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. As you might see, this was just to show that ID is a possibility, but since there is no &quotroof", it is not likely to be right.
But I guess something being taught is not the same as showing the possibility.....

If you asked me if creationism should be taught in theology classes, well then sure. But it has no place in a science class, because it is not science.

Science actually gives us evidence and fact as to what happend

science deals with strengths of associations, and so philosophically there is no requirement for science to explain origin.

To what extent does the presentation of ideas affect the education of children in that they are assumedly incompletely autonomous?

Perhaps it would be acceptable to foster discussion but not acceptable to examine religious material unless taught in a religious studies class, which would not be a mandatory subject?

Evidence, sure, but facts, no. Everything in science is temporary, every "fact" only last until it is proven wrong.

I did one in high school, ended up telling about the Flying Spaghetti Monster. As you might see, this was just to show that ID is a possibility, but since there is no &quotroof", it is not likely to be right.

Evolution is a fact, with theories as to how it takes place. Evolution is fact, we know it occurs, we have the evidence.

My hardline skeptic is straining againsts its bonds!

Lolz. Well perhaps it might make it easier to handle if I better explain myself: Evolution is a scientific fact. Might not be considered as much by all scientists, or likely many religious people. But as far as science as a whole is concerned, evolution is considered fact.

I agree with Carlie in that religious study is fine outside of the classroom, as long as other views are given as well other than Christianity. In a nation that tends to disrespect multiculturalism and block out the rest of the world, diversity in the content that we learn is the key to better interactions with other countries in the future.

For instance, say, in my World Literature class sophomore year, we read Genesis. We also read the Rig Vedas, The Wooden People, and several other creation myths. This was the best class I've ever enrolled in during high school, in my opinion, because there were so many different vantage points that we were given. (We read stuff from All Quiet on the Western Front to Siddhartha and Nectar in a Sieve)

However, as Carlie has also stated, creationism does not belong in the science classroom as there is no scientific evidence to back the theory up, and thus should not be forced upon children to learn.

Yes, evolution should be taught in schools. If any of the creationists are offended, then they can talk to their teachers personally and ask them to take a less certain approach to it. If they refuse, then the offended creationists can argue their viewpoint in class (or out). Of course, a good argument is expected if someone tries to argue it out. Otherwise, it's wasting people's time.

'Oh, well that was the way God wanted it.