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Well to start out i dont beleive in evoltuion so the fact that other things cant be taught really ticks me off but i just want to see what people think and why.
I would say it's pretty easy to observe...A long-necked giraffe lives in an area where the trees are tall. Why? Adaptation. The short-necked giraffes died out.
Darwin's observations of different finches and tortoises aren't to be taken as accurate? Fossils on display throughout museums around the world aren't legit?
"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd to the highest degree" (The Origin of Species, Penguin Classics, London, 1985, p.217)
No...There is no proof of God, unless you are going to argue that the Bible is proof, that the fact that the Earth and humans exist is proof, etc., etc.
Considering that the half-lives of molecules like C-14 and Uranium are pretty constant, I would say it's pretty accurate, especially as science continues developing.
Once again, incorrect. Religion is based on faith, whereas science is based on theories backed up with tangible evidence.
Well, why haven't I heard anything of these short-necked giraffes? I don't seem to recall any mention of those in history books nor do I recall fossil evidence suggesting the existence of a short-neck giraffe. I could be wrong, there may have been a short-necked giraffe somewhere out there in history, but so far, nothing.
Well, if I am correct and there isn't fossil evidence or truly accurate dating methods, then I'd say that you evolutionists have just as little concrete evidence as Creationism and you guys have to put just as much faith into evolution as we do God.
Well, I would refer to the Bible as a Historical text. An accurate one at that. In that light, yes, I would use the Bible as evidence.
I'm going to be ready to get flamed *Gets on fire proof suit*
I think creationism is 100% fiction, I am a Christian but I am willing to look through my religion to see it's flaws. So many people think that Evolution says that humans came from monkeys. That's not what it says. Over a period of time mutations pile up and the ones who are best suited for the envirement survive. That is why we are the only species alive in the genus "Homo". We were simply the best fitting ones for the landscape in the mutation sheet.
*For those of you who don't know what a mutation sheet is. When scientests find mutations and what they came from they can track it back to find the animal that the mutations began in.
I think creationism is 100% fiction, I am a Christian but I am willing to look through my religion to see it's flaws. So many people think that Evolution says that humans came from monkeys. That's not what it says. Over a period of time mutations pile up and the ones who are best suited for the envirement survive. That is why we are the only species alive in the genus "Homo". We were simply the best fitting ones for the landscape in the mutation sheet.
So you are saying that, despite the facts that none of the people who wrote the bible were Jesus, the bible has been translated numerous times, it is thousands of years old, and there is no proof that God has spoken to any of those that wrote the bible, that it is indeed accurate?
He's referring to giraffes that are just shorter then other giraffes, not some sort of sub-species.
I think creationism is 100% fiction, I am a Christian but I am willing to look through my religion to see it's flaws.I think then that, by definition, you're not a Christian. What do you think God does, if you think he exists?
So many people think that Evolution says that humans came from monkeys. That's not what it says.You're correct, but for the wrong reason. Evolution states that humans came from apes.
I would have to disagree with that statement. My reason being that evolution in itself is a very long process and no single human has been around to watch one species acquire different traits that suggests the transformation into another species altogether.
How about a compromise? The debate is essentially science vs. religion. Why not leave evolution in science class while moving creationism and other religions to Social Studies or some other class? 'Twould work, and noone would be insulted as long as teachers kept a neutral point of view.
The story of Adam and Eve in the bible is not literal the creation stories in the bible are sometimes fictional only to represent something just like the book animal farm and the soviet union
This would mean God created death, it would mean he used an extremely brutal way for life to come about when he could have just made us. It means sin doesn't cause death and hell is a place he made JUST to torture us!
What? Could you rephrase or explain this somehow? As it currently is that doesn't seem to make any...sense.
The story of Adam and Eve in the bible is not literal the creation stories in the bible are sometimes fictional only to represent something just like the book animal farm and the soviet union
This is a very common misconception about evolution, that being it's an unobservable phenomona. It is observable, even in a single human lifetime, so long as you find a species that has short enough lives that they go through many generations in a short period of time. Basically any micro organism.
If you wanted to do an experiment you could theoretically take a sample of one type of bacteria, and put half in one container and half in anouther and raise the temperature of one crate while lower the temperature of the other by one degree celsius every 1 years for 50 years from a starting point of 50 degrees while keeping all other variables the same. I can almost guarentee you that you'd see speciation, and if not speciation then at least one population becoming more suited for living in a hotter envrionment and the other in a colder.
You can also observe evolution in bacteria in real world settings. The introduction on penicillin and the subsequent rise of anti-biotic resistant bacteria in the last 80 years are real world, single lifetime examples of evolution. If you're not willing to look at that I don't think it'd be possible to convinve you at all.
50 degress celcius would kill the virus,
Micro evolution is probable. Cells transfer DNA all the time in the Micro world. I won't deny that, but Macro evolution is when I doubt evolution. Through various methods, cells can actually get cellular information from other cells. Sometimes the change is good, but other times, the change is bad. i.e. a virus transfers cellular information to its target and the cell dies as a result.
It is highly unlikely that a genetic mutation will be beneficial to the organism.
The main problem that I have with this topic, iPC, is that evolution completely takes credit for what God did in the beginning. How he created the earth, I don't know. All i know is that he spoke life into our universe by saying several sentences. Where it says "God created the Heavens and the earth," he didn't say anything, so it may have been created via the "big bang." Idk.
Other than that first verse, evolution is taking credit for all the species that exist today. I believe that God made each and every species at the beginning of the earth, but as time went on, more and more species became extinct.
This is, at least, my take on this...
My take on this issue is that evolution seems more likely, but there is no way to prove either the theory of evolution or creationism / ID correct, and probably won't be in our life time.
Still, in the spirt of neutrality, religion is a very big part in world history, so it only fits that creationism is taught in history rather than science.
There are somethings we are never going to know, and this could be one of them...
hey samy that link you gave me brought me to a home page of some christian web sight. It didn't give me any facts on creationism, so my question still stands, could you give me some reliable evidence supporting creationism
If creationism is right why would God kill his creatures haven't seen a dinosaur walking round nor were they mentioned in the bible( pretty big thing Hey Jesus look its a diplodocus I'm gonna talk about this in mmy book book said luke, me too said John). How abput the Cambriam explosion or galapogas tortoises. Creationism is a religious ideal and shouls be taught in R.E. Evolution is a scientific theory and should be taught in Biology.
If creationism is right why would God kill his creatures haven't seen a dinosaur walking round nor were they mentioned in the bible( pretty big thing Hey Jesus look its a diplodocus I'm gonna talk about this in mmy book book said luke, me too said John). How abput the Cambriam explosion or galapogas tortoises. Creationism is a religious ideal and shouls be taught in R.E. Evolution is a scientific theory and should be taught in Biology.
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