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ajajaj92
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I created this topic because i thought life was a frist person game were the others are only a program,and there is always someone trying to explain it.How to now that i´m not in a alien tech center being studied while my mind is on a "game program" thinking that it's alive?

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fourtytwo
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lol. Nobody is brave enough to answer my question? Come on! It's simple enough. All I want to know is what you evolutionists believe! If you are too ashamed to answer my question, why do you even believe in evolution?!? I am not trying to prove Christianity here either. Just trying to build up my debating skills :P (just kidding) I am only trying to make evolution less believable. I just don't know why I am even trying though.

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why do you even believe in evolution?!?

Because there have been found evidence that makes this theory rather believable. Unless all scientists have decided to lie about everything they do (and I sure hope they do not, as I would hate to lie every day), I think that is what happened.
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All I want to know is what you evolutionists believe!


Can I just say that not all atheists are nescessarily evolutionists. They just don't belive in any sort of God.
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Can I just say that not all atheists are nescessarily evolutionists. They just don't belive in any sort of God.

And not all evolutionists are atheists.

But yeah..
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-_- Nobody has answered my question yet...

PLEASE!!!! JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!! STOP ARGUING ABOUT WHY THE QUESTION IS WEIRD!!! JUST ANSWER IT!!!

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What was your question?

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-_- Nobody has answered my question yet...

Am I "Nobody"??!
Okay, to make it clear:
@fourtytwo:
Because there have been found evidence that makes this theory rather believable. Unless all scientists have decided to lie about everything they do (and I sure hope they do not, as I would hate to lie every day), I think that is what happened.

That is why.
PLEASE!!!! JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!!! STOP ARGUING ABOUT WHY THE QUESTION IS WEIRD!!! JUST ANSWER IT!!!

No one was arguing why the question is weird. Not since your last post. Try actually reading the posts.
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Please explain the theory in detail.

If you go back a page, I made a post that included that. THAT is the question I am referring to.
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Because there have been found evidence that makes this theory rather believable. Unless all scientists have decided to lie about everything they do (and I sure hope they do not, as I would hate to lie every day), I think that is what happened.


Where is the proof? I've heard that the proof you guys have for evolution is pretty flimsy. And don't come back at me arguing that it isn't flimsy. Just show me the proof (After you explain EVERY detail of the Big Bang).
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After you explain EVERY detail of the Big Bang

*sigh* Compressed matter, decompressing. Or, as it seems to be, the elastic effect. But I am only nineteen, and I am not studying to become an astrophysicist, so EVERY detail, well... Maybe the wrong place you are asking.

Where is the proof?

There is a decent amount of evidence for evolution, like the ... species of birds on that island that I cannot remember what is called... Those had speciallized in diffenrent ways of eating, thus their beak having different shapes, but were still the same species.
Breeds of dogs is another example.

I find it plausible. So unless you are going to throw yourself at me for not knowing everything, and for just finding evolution and the Big Bang plausible theories that seem to be able to coexist with my beliefs, in the way I see it, then I think we have come to an understanding of each other.

And would you please stop using caps like the yelling before?

If you go back a page, I made a post that included that. THAT is the question I am referring to.

I just took the question you had put up.
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[hint]Oh well. Maybe Talo or Pixie can give me an answer.[/hint]

species of birds on that island that I cannot remember what is called... Those had specialized in different ways of eating, thus their beak having different shapes, but were still the same species.
Breeds of dogs is another example.

you are thinking of the finches on the Galapagos islands.

Those are examples of microevolution, or, what is better known as natural selection. I like the term microevolution better because it emphasizes my point a little better. Microevolution is actually a proven theory, though I'm not sure if it is a law yet. All it says is that creatures can physically adapt to their environment. It is pretty much a mini version of macroevolution (what everyone thinks of when you say evolution). You can't use microevolution to prove macroevolution. That would be like saying, "If this object is moving in this direction at this speed, it WILL end up at this place in this amount of time because I won't take into account that it might stop somewhere because of friction." You are taking a puny amount of information and trying to use it to prove a HUGE amount of guesses. I think the term for that is extrapolation.
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Where is the proof? I've heard that the proof you guys have for evolution is pretty flimsy. And don't come back at me arguing that it isn't flimsy. Just show me the proof (After you explain EVERY detail of the Big Bang).


see, this is were I'm confused. Evolution and Big Bang are 2 different things. I'm not sure why you think they are the same, but I don't think they have anything to do with each other.

Also as I have stated before, Even the people who developed the big bang theory have changed it multiple times because of inconsistencies they found when they tested the theory. So I personally don't believe in it, and I'm not an expert, that's why I say look it up yourself, because that's all I'm going to do if I'm asked about it.

As for evolution, micro evolution proves it's a posibility, not that it's fact. If you take 1,000,000 marbles and start them rolling, it's PROBABLE that at least 1 will make it to the end.

The difference between Luck and Stats is the amount of times you try something. If you do something once and get it right, it's Luck, if you do something 1000 times and it works 10% of the time, it's going to work 10% of the time when you do it 10,000 and 100,000 times as well. Using this, The odds that every condition was perfect for life to be created and evolve is not Luck as there are billions of stars and countless planets. I also don't believe that we are alone in space, but I doubt we will ever have contact with them.

I will prove to you the creation of everything as soon as you explain what the empty space (space everything exists in) is and how it was created. God is not an answer as he exists in our plane. Saying that he exists in another plane just means that you are saying there are multiple dimensions and realities, and that goes into another discussion on alternate realities and such.
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For one thing, Talo is correct in saying that evolution and the Big Bang are completely separate.

If you want an explanation, I suggest independent research. It's not that hard to google something and read a few articles ro whatever. Wikipedia is a good place to start,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection

but it is preferabe to find other sources.

In a very simple nutshell the big bang was the result of rapid heating and cooling, originating from a singularity. This eventually cooled to the point where certain elements were able to form. Due to the different densities of thes elements they expanded away from each other. Over the years the continued cooling created conditions enabling more and more different types of mass to form until the iuniverse contained galaxies planets etc. Bearing in mind this all took place over billions and billions of years.

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see, this is were I'm confused. Evolution and Big Bang are 2 different things. I'm not sure why you think they are the same, but I don't think they have anything to do with each other.

I don't believe they are the same. Evolutionists have to believe that everything came about somehow.

Also as I have stated before, Even the people who developed the big bang theory have changed it multiple times because of inconsistencies they found when they tested the theory. So I personally don't believe in it, and I'm not an expert, that's why I say look it up yourself, because that's all I'm going to do if I'm asked about it.


So how DO you think everything came about?

As for evolution, micro evolution proves it's a posibility, not that it's fact. If you take 1,000,000 marbles and start them rolling, it's PROBABLE that at least 1 will make it to the end.


That depends on where the end is, what the size of the end is, what direction all the marbles are rolling, how hard you roll the marbles. If the end is about a billion square miles of space, is right up against your face no matter what direction you turn, and you roll every marble randomly, then yes, it is quite probable that the marbles will make it to the end. On the other hand, if the end is a speck that is a few billion miles away and you have a weak arm and you are rolling marbles in the opposite direction (and we assume that we are on an infinite plane), then there is no chance you will get even one marble to the end. I'm not saying that evolution is like that, because there is a chance of it happening. It is safe to say that there are about a few hundred trillion existing planets (considering how many stars there are), but there is hardly any chance of them being able to support life.
~First, they must not be gas planets. That rules out at least half of the planets.
~Second, they must have the proper atmosphere to support life. If the planet has no atmosphere, the change in temperature goes from extremely hot to extremely cold in short amounts of time. If the atmosphere is too thick (like Venus) it is quite obvious why you can't have any living organism there. This rules out maybe 9,999,999/1,000,000 of the planets that are not gas planets.
~Lastly, they must be a certain distance from their sun, relative to how hot their sun is. That takes out maybe all but a billionth of what was left, considering the fact that there are so many possibilities including the possibility that the planet could have an orbit like a comet.

So, it is quite likely that we are on the only planet suitable for living creatures. Then, you have the problem of how much chance there is for evolution. Some scientist said that the chances of DNA being produced randomly is like the chances of a hundred monkeys banging on typewriters to accidentally type, "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

I will prove to you the creation of everything as soon as you explain what the empty space (space everything exists in) is and how it was created. God is not an answer as he exists in our plane. Saying that he exists in another plane just means that you are saying there are multiple dimensions and realities, and that goes into another discussion on alternate realities and such.


Why can't I say that God did it? That is what I believe! Why can't he be in the same plane?
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I don't believe they are the same. Evolutionists have to believe that everything came about somehow.


Evolution is about how man came about. The Big Bang is the origin of the entire universe. They are entirely separate theories. Not all atheists are both evolutionists and believers in the Big Bang. There are plenty of other theories on the origin of the universe.
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