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chrishiot88
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I was looking at the topics at the tavern and saw a topic called is santa real? So taking inspiration from that and also isn't george bush's time in the seat nearly over?
It is isn't it so i started remembering all the amazing things he has done for the american people and all the people in the world also i remembered all the fabulous speaches he has made in his career and i thought to my self is he real or is he not. Something this good can't be real so that is why i think he is not.

What is your opinion?

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kris1027
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You know how I feel about the war


Well no, I didn't actually.

I'm not sure that's fact. Besides, they get warnings like that all the time. They can't respond to them all.


It's quite true. All it takes is just one of those to not be responded to and you have thousands of dead people.

But I'm sure he bribed them all into voting right?


He stood on that podium and presented his case for war to the American people. Ignoring the weapons inspectors he claimed that Iraq had WMDs. Ignoring the fact that we were already fighting in another war and ignoring the fact (afterward) that no WMDs were found. And even now we have Cheney saying that even if they had been sure there were no WMDs then we should be there anyway.

And the Clinton administration had an opportunity to permanantly silence Bin Laden and did nothing


Right. Clinton failed but so did Dubya. They both failed at protecting this country.

Obama wants to ban handguns.


I personal don't have a problem with that and most of the facts listed. I was robbed at gunpoint by a 15 year old teenager with a loaded handgun a few years back. I have a panic attack when I see a guns. So not having to see them would be a plus for me and probably every gun violence victim out there.
Xzeno
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And even now we have Cheney saying that even if they had been sure there were no WMDs then we should be there anyway.
I agree with that. America is the most powerful nation on earth, we should try to stop evil were ever we can.

I personal don't have a problem with that and most of the facts listed. I was robbed at gunpoint by a 15 year old teenager with a loaded handgun a few years back. I have a panic attack when I see a guns. So not having to see them would be a plus for me and probably every gun violence victim out there.


That's because you don't have a gun! Get one, it may save you some trouble in the future. Ask any criminal. The primary deterant of crime is the criminal fears that the victim may have a gun. When car jackings were really high in Florida, they passed a right-to-carry act, and the jackings dropped off. Guns illegal in England? Knife crimes go up, as do home invasions. (Of course, they now want to ban pointed knives, but the totalitarian Europian Union is a different subject entirely.)
kris1027
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I agree with that. America is the most powerful nation on earth, we should try to stop evil were ever we can.


Why should we be the police of the world!? Especially when are our country is hitting the toilet at the moment. Should we invade parts of Africa whose citizens have it far worse then the Iraqis did? What about in China where they systematically murder little girls everyday!? America the superhero needs to stop evil at home before it makes demands and invades other countries.


That's because you don't have a gun! Get one, it may save you some trouble in the future.


What? I tell you I was victim of a gun crime and have panic attacks at the sight of guns and your advice is to get a gun? I had a handgun pointed in my face. Right in my face. I had someone threaten to kill me. What, is it my own fault because I didn't stoop to his level and point a gun back at him?
Xzeno
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First: China is too powerful. Something will happen with them soon, and it ain't gonna be pretty.

Why should we be the police of the world!?
Because we can. Do you purpose that no one should try to stop genocide?
America the superhero needs to stop evil at home before it makes demands and invades other countries.
Yet home is a lot better then anywhere else. I know my terminology is a little romantic, but systematic mass killings are undeniably evil. Sometimes, there are no shades of gray.
What, is it my own fault because I didn't stoop to his level and point a gun back at him?
Not quite. It was his fualt, but not the gun's, nor the fact that people are legally entitled to own guns. If you didn't need a gun to protect yourself... well, that would be great.

What? I tell you I was victim of a gun crime and have panic attacks at the sight of guns and your advice is to get a gun? I had a handgun pointed in my face. Right in my face. I had someone threaten to kill me.
I'm sorry if I offended you.

Also: Do you really thing freedom and democracy will last long if we cannot defend are selves?
kris1027
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First: China is too powerful. Something will happen with them soon, and it ain't gonna be pretty.
Because we can. Do you purpose that no one should try to stop genocide?


So we only the police the countries who are weaker then us? When it comes to really helping people we only help the countries that are easy to invade? China is murdering people and invading our ally but hey, it would be to to hard to help out them so lets help Iraq. Why haven't we invaded parts of Africa, parts that are experiencing worse acts of genocide and horror then Saddam ever dreamed about?

Yet home is a lot better then anywhere else. I know my terminology is a little romantic, but systematic mass killings are undeniably evil. Sometimes, there are no shades of gray.


So we ignore the stuff and the people in America who are hurting and suffering and need help so we can help other peoples who don't even want us to help? Because our standard of living is better we can ignore the suffering and needy to help out other peoples?

Not quite. It was his fualt, but not the gun's, nor the fact that people are legally entitled to own guns. If you didn't need a gun to protect yourself... well, that would be great.


Except we live in a country were not only is it incredible easy for a teenager to get a gun and say shoot up a school or rob and innocent cashier and some people want to make it even easier. I lay some of the blame on a country that embraces instruments of death.

That has groups of people whose goal in life to make sure everyone has a weapon and can get it without a background check or a waiting period. That cares more about some guys right to own an uzi then then millions of people who lives are effected adversely because of a gun. Why does no one seem to care about the victims? It's more important that mr hunter owns a bunch of handguns then making sure victims and school children are safe. I wish someone would make an amendment to protect me and others from those who bare arms.

I shouldn't need a gun to protect myself. I should be be able to take my kid out in the street without worrying that some scumbag is carrying a concealed handgun and wants to hurt us.

Also: Do you really thing freedom and democracy will last long if we cannot defend are selves?


Wouldn't it make sense to have our troops here defending us then stretched out all over the world? Isn't that just making us more open to attack?
Xzeno
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Schools are shot up because no one has a gun in a school save the shooter. If this was fixed, there would be far less school shootings.

What's the bloody point of a waiting period? As for backround checks useless waste of time. Most criminals get guns illegally anyway.

I wish someone would make an amendment to protect me and others from those who bare arms.
It's called the second. Besides murder is illegal, so criminals clearly don't care about legality.

I shouldn't need a gun to protect myself. I should be be able to take my kid out in the street without worrying that some scumbag is carrying a concealed handgun and wants to hurt us.
You're right, you shouldn't. But you do. That's life!

Wouldn't it make sense to have our troops here defending us then stretched out all over the world? Isn't that just making us more open to attack?
You misunderstand me: I mean protect ourselves from the troops.

So we only the police the countries who are weaker then us?
Yep.

Why haven't we invaded parts of Africa, parts that are experiencing worse acts of genocide and horror then Saddam ever dreamed about?
You've gotta start somewhere.
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How about his complete lack of reaction to Hurrican Katrina leaving it too late to help many people.


It's a massive job to clean that up. There was not much he could do without MASSIVE budget cuts somewhere, and are country would not be able to take that. I think it is an over time process to fix that city, and i think that is what they are doing. Although personally, i think we need to give up on New Orleans and let it be wiped off the map. It will keep on being bashed with more hurricanes destroying all of our progress there, it will just be a drain through which massive amounts of money will flow (especially with Obama coming in), and we will not get anywhere.

@KingChettah. Give me some specific reasons why you don't like him, all you seem to know is what the, biased, media is feeding up you're ass.

The rich are stealing from the poor.


Let's go, @sshole. That was an untrue ridiculous statement.

The fact that his administration was warned about a terrorist attack on September 10 and the warning was ignored?


That's bull and was debunked long ago. Give me some evidence, and i don't want links to random blog sites.

Just' cause we never found any weapons o' mass destruction don't mean saddam isn't hidin them!


It's possible. Encase you have not noticed, we launched are attack with hiding it. It takes a few days for our troops to get there, and i find that plenty of time to haul away a few nukes.

Why haven't we invaded parts of Africa, parts that are experiencing worse acts of genocide and horror then Saddam ever dreamed about?


This is where i get to call Bush haters who say this hypocrites. YAY.

Well, encase you have not noticed, OUR ECONOMY IS EFFED UP!!!!

People like you want us out of Iraq, because it's "there" problem, or "we have our own issues to deal with". So after people like you saying that, now you asking why are we not playing big brother to a whole continent?

And, BTW, the problems in Africa our so dire, and so spread out, it would be a goose chase trying to fix the. It would drains erious money, and we would get nowhere. The countrys just have to step up there game, and some will have to make sacrifices.

I think the first step lies in Eritrea's hands. They need to merge with Ethiopia. Because Ethiopia could be a up and coming country, if they were not land locked. If they had access to the Red Sea, they could really boom. Then the would have the ability to help these problems. Also, Nigeria would then help out because they currently do not want to act alone.

But, for Ethiopia to get to this state, Eritrea has to merge with them. I think to keep Eritrea happy, they should just be a colony of sorts. They still have there own government, but the are under Ethiopia co Ethiopia can do trade in and out of there and have access to the Red Sea as they please.
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2. No Child Left Behind Act. Its not perfect, but its a good start. It has helped to address the sub-par performance of the lowest income schools in this country by setting real standards and also throwing the money at the low scoring schools. Does it make teachers just teach to make kids pass tests? Maybe. But if they can pass the tests obviously that is some sort of progress.


Seriously? Have you seen the public school system lately? Less than 50% of kids pass those "standardized tests". Because successful marks on the test are now required to graduate, the teachers are basically forced into curricula. It's sad when a friend of mine was in Calculus as a sophomore, and couldn't pass the WASL because he learned the material five years beforehand.

Tell me, why should advancement of my education be hindered for a test? When I was a sophomore, three weeks were spent in my English and Math classes to dumb us down to the level that the test was at. In the high school I went to my freshmen year, the dropout rate before G.W. instituted standardized testing (as governor) was something like 25%. After TAAS/TAKS came into play, the dropout rate steadily rose, until by the time my sister graduated, it was at about 50%.

It's disgusting. We don't need standards for basic material, we need to get kids thinking on a higher level.

Did I mention that there is a class at my high school specifically for passing the WASL math test, and another for passing WASL English? I don't exactly go to a dumb school either.
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Also, Ricador, I believe Kris was trying to make a point...Try to put things into context before making blocks of text.

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The No Child Left Behind Act is good, if it can be seriously implemented. Zootsuit_riot, if what you said is true about the dropout rate at your high school, doesn't that tell you something? The standardized test for each grade level are a joke. Compared to the levels required by our European counterparts, American kids, as a whole, are stupid. What standardized testing does it see how well students are doing, via a brute force method.

The same argument comes into plan when you apply for college. Are the SATs are valid form of testing your knowledge? Can colleges use SATs as a benchmark for their students, or can colleges set cutoffs for their students? (ie: Any student with an SAT less than a 2100 will not be accepted into our university?)

And Zootsuit_riot, it doesn't matter if the teachers are forced into teaching material that is only for the test. Since it's the bare minimum any child should know, I don't see the problem. Yes, it's sad when your friend forgets basic algebra and he/she is in calc. I feel sorry for him/her, but that's their fault.

Do I believe in the No Child Left Behind Act? Not really, but I feel that a bare minimum is good. Now are these kids who are barely skating by, but still getting pushed up, benefiting? No, they're not, but tell me, how are you going to fix that?

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Of course he is real he is a human being..Soo I find this topic spam really sinec it is very obvious George Bush is real.


Haven't you ever heard of sarcasm?
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As real as any pro-corporate meat puppet can possibly be.

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Ricador... oh no. This is gonna be akward.

Yes, the public school system needs immediate reform.

Back to Kris, what people fail to realize is that A) criminals get guns and use guns illegally, and making it illegal for a law-abiding citizen to own one will not stop criminals, and B) gun ownership is the number one crime deterrent. I would admit that if guns were illegal you would have a lower chance of getting stuck up, but you would have a much greater chance of having to give a bunch of guys any thing of value you own or have your head bashed in with a baseball bat. Funny how that works.

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@Crazyjayz:

Guaranteed at least 90% of the people who take the tests know the material. The stuff on the test is a joke. The real question is: do they care? No, absolutely not. Because tons of teenagers think that it's just a test, when in fact, it's deciding their whole future.

Are the SATs are valid form of testing your knowledge?


No, both the SAT and ACT, as well as most of the standardized tests these days, aren't about the material. They judge how well you can take the test. You know who makes up the standardized tests for each state, as well as the SAT and ACT? Not teachers. Not schoolboard members. Not administrators or superintendents. They're written by the Educational Testing Service-a company that also writes tests for butchers, golf pros, and health inspectors.

Yes, it's sad when your friend forgets basic algebra and he/she is in calc. I feel sorry for him/her, but that's their fault.


Seriously? It's my friend's fault for trying to get as much math in as possible to leave his class options open for the rest of high school, and then ending up being shafted because of a ridiculous test? These tests may be useful for the lower 10% of the high school classes, but those such as my friend and I are almost being punished for taking high-level classes.

Three weeks were dedicated to making sure we passed those tests, because it was required by the school. In an Honors class. Know what we could have done with those three weeks? Read a book. Learned more about the Russian Revolution of 1917, learned more about Guantama Siddhartha. Key word: learned.

No, they're not, but tell me, how are you going to fix that?


Easy. Recently, a CBA (Classroom Based Assessment) has been added to the curriculum of history and music classes for all grades. In this project, students are required to research a topic that interests them, or focus on a certain song they wish to perform, and then present what they have learned in front of the class. Not only does it encourage the students to do research, the CBA lets the teenagers look into something that they didn't know about before, and broadens their horizons.

Last May, I had to do a CBA for my history class. Before, I didn't know anything about the Iran Hostage Crisis. Afterwards, I knew almost all of the basic information and facts, as was I was required to in the presentation.

The CBA is open-ended, and this way the teacher evaluates the students, rather than a test made by people who don't interact with the kids at all.
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I dont understand why everybody says bush looks like a monkey...
Look at obama <_<

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