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thoadthetoad
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It may not be the same with you, but you know how you have a good dream? Just one that was really nice and you want to remember it but can't? I normally have that, but when I have a bad dream, I can remember ALL of it. I, personally, am afraid of dolls, ever since I was little. I thought they wanted to kill me, and I didn't even see chucky at the time. I still have the creepy sense in the back of my head (I own no dolls, neither does my mom) but I have this re-occurring dream of a doll that would cry, do something to get my attention, then talk. It was terrifieing to me, and still is. The latest was only about 30 seconds. I wanted to check if my mom was awake in the dream, so I did, her door was closed, and she was sleeping. So I walked back and saw the doll. Strangely, I broke from the dream after I said "Oh my god!".

Have you ever had an instance where you also KNEW you were in a dream (not the main question)?

Also, (main question) is there an interpretation as to why my BAD dreams are always more vivid?

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If someone says something nice to you, you'll probably forget it eventually (depending on what they said and how wonderfully nice it was). But bad things stick out like a sore thumb. You always remember the bad things, but it's harder to remember the good things. Sometimes it's just easier to see the glass half empty, despite what we may want to see.

Or at least that's how it is with me.

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Often times when I have bad dreams, they are so vivid that when I am maybe jumping or walking in the dream, it seems as if i can feel myself ACTUALLY lifting up my legs...


Aha! This brings us to sleepwalking. Sleepwalking actually is the subconcious taking over the body. Usually the brain is there to control you and your system, but while it is asleep, the subconcious can come out to play.

I used to sleepwalk alot when I was little by getting out of bed, walking into my parents room and standing in the corner asking my dad to tuck me in (all without my knowledge). Also, when I go to friends houses I am usually awake during the night because it is not the normal environment I am used to. Every single one of them grinds their teeth or makes sucking noises. I question them about this in the morning and they say that were not aware of it.

i think it's subconcious's behavior to point out bad alot more...


This is probably a natural instinct to make sure the brain is aware of consequences. For example, your personality (the brain) is telling you that you might be able to clear the jump over a 10 foot ditch. However, your instinct (the subconcious) is telling you that you may fall and die. Notice how the brain focuses on the good things and your subconcious focuses on the bad things?

I just put two and two together so this may not be entirely true...
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From page 2:

Can bad dreams also be affected psychologically? As in things that happened in the past that recollects in a different, but all-the-more similar dream?


Not sure what you're asking but having taken a little interpretative license, I don't see why not- this is often how trauma/assault victims present.

....layman terms plz?


Hm, just realised it's hard to condense what I said down as it requires knowledge of at least the basic principles of neurology. Let's give it a shot:

The most basic representation of your brain function is as a system of networks of neurons that are joined together and communicate via neurotransmitters. There are different kinds of neurons that either excite other neurons or inhibit them (depending on the neurotransmitter) both directly and indirectly. Without delving into hard problems of consciousness or debates concerning physicalist models, let's just say for now that your behaviors can be 'represented' as a unique pattern of signals in variosu parts of your brain.

Now as for the "good" and "bad" memories part, to me there's quite a concrete difference. "Good" memories would be associated with your "reward pathway", and have you seeking their evocation either by repeating the behaviors or reliving the memory. "Bad" memories, however, signal danger, risk, and that which must be avoided else you may come to harm or even death. Put in this context I hope I've conveyed why it would be essential that the pathways would ordinarily be thought of as separate, and also why some people might claim bad memories are more vivid than good ones.
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From page 3: Myoclonic twitches are common and regarded as perfectly normal. A myoclonic seizure, however, is not! Many suspected epilepsy patients confuse the two, however- the difference is that in a seizure neurotransmission is deregulated, whereas the twitch is a regulated reflex.

From experience I've found that one is more susceptible to this if they are sleep-deprived, which makes perfectly good sense as by this point your centres of breathing and consciousness are not particularly keen on staying active! The problem is that most doctors and medical students are aware of this and I know I've been twitching a hell of a lot in professorial meetings lately thanks to an institutionalised lack of sleep...meaning that it's bloody obvious to them that I'm falling asleep in their meeting!

From this page: Subconscious and conscious is a nice and simple way of explaining such things as "automatisms" (of which sleepwalking is a part, but more extreme versions like taking a bath, driving a car or even murdering your spouse while asleep are perfectly possible and documented), but care must be taken not to then get bogged down in the various definitions of "subconscious", as this could be about anything from reflexes (e.g. those primitive sucking reflexes that are most evident just after birth), to premonitions and other non-articulated sensations, which in themselves could be anything from a physiological response or even a manifestation of altered cortico-fronto-temporal function...

thoadthetoad
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Let's give it a shot:

okai, I understand much better, but it seems pretty self explanatory, lol.
Strop
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You mean now that I've explained it to you :P I mean, before I posted that you were all "layman's terms plz?"

But that's good. Good models are supposed to appear self-explanatory!

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I think why you remember bad dreams because you want to wake up during it so when you wake up during a dream you remember it, that's my theory. And why you always don't rememer good dreams is the oppisite, let me explain. You enjoy the good dream so you keep yourself in the dream and don't wake up on purpose. When you are havinh a bad dream you're wanting to wake up on purpose so you remember the dream.

I have no idea what you guys are saying with the mutalons or other complicated cells or bacteria thingy mabobs. Sometimes I'm having a good dream and I suddenly wake up and I don't want to, atleast I got the memories.

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**The importance of a Dream Journal**

Keep a journal next to your bed. When you wake up after having a dream, write as quickly as possible the dream you had in your notebook/journal. Then, every so often, go over all your dreams.


I have had a lot of dreams about this one girl I once liked. I remember my firest dream of her and I remember a few other ones of her as well. I dreamt of her nearly every night.

Now back to the journal. I kept one and I wrote about 2 dreams down (I need to get back into the habit of writing down my dreams). I completely forgot about this one dream I had. I remember finding my notebook where I wrote it down. I couldn't remember a single thing about the dream. It was such an amazing feeling. As I read through it, I remembered exactly what I dreamt (that is to say, I remember everything the same exact way as I had when I first woke up from the dream). Now I can easily recite that forgotten dream and picture I picture it as clearly as ever.

**Dissection of my Dreams**

Some dreams will have an obvious meaning, some will be not-so-obvious. Others, at times, are completely random and though they lack meaning, something (or many things) influenced that dream.

If you wan't to inturpet your own dreams, you must first be honest with yourself. You must be at least slightly aware of your problems, weaknesses, likes, dislikes, pains, fears, ect. You may know yourself, but you can't lie to yourself.

Random Dreams and influence

I won't lie, why we dream, I don't exactly know. To me, thats not really important. The fact of the matter is that we do dream. Our brains continue to run as we are asleep. When you go to bed without anything imparticular on your mind, and you have some weird dream, you may wonder why you dreamt what you dreamt.

Popsickle Stick Heaven

When I was very young, between the ages of 6-8, I used to watch Nickolodian. When I fell asleep, I dreamt that I was in this weird world, as if I was in some giant shoe box diorama. The walls were covered in blue tissue paper. Stars dangled on strings and there were a bunch of characters zipping around the place. Most were paper cut outs of cartoon characters that I was familure with. Remember the cartoon Doug? Hey Arnold and possibly CatDog, but there were a lot of popsickle stick people. There were a bunch of random objects such as bycicles and toy buckets and shovels.

It is obvious, I was influenced by the cartoons that I watched. Why popsickle stick people though? This may be before your time (well, you probally were to young to remember) but there was this little feller named Stick Stickly. Here is a link.

This is the best example of a random dream that I can come up with, influenced by every day life. Though I can't remember specificly what else was in my dream, I remember a lot of objects such as toys and other familure objects were scattered across my dream. The toy bucket and bysicle being 2 examples.

Desires

Many dreams we have are influenced by our desires. Some times we dream about objects we want. Othertimes, we dream about things with a deeper meaning, things that you can't simply buy.

The trail

I can hardly remember this dream. I shall explain the parts that I remember, the important parts.

Me and my classmates were all lost in these woods. We were traveling around and I remember we had to cross this deep fisser. I remember that the land was just clsoe enough that I could grab onto the other side and make myself into this bridge. Why, if the fisser was that close together, why didn't we all just jump? Well, dreams are funny that way. I was in gradeschool at the time.

The reason why I had this dream was clear to me as soon as I had it. I was around 7 or 8 at the time. I was never very popular in gradeschool. I remember wanting to be a leader. I wanted people to look up to me. I dreamt I made myself into a bridge because everyone was so greatfull that I was there to lead them, to help them out.

Here on out, I will be using the dreams I had of a girl I used to like. I have had plenty, and I remember them better than almost any other dreams I have had.


Feelings

Some dreams we have bring out our feelings. The trail dream that I had was also a dream expressing my feelings. Sometimes, when you feel a certain way, it will show best during dreams. If you feel lonely, you may be lonely in your dream. I myself, I was in love (I do hate using that word but at the time, I was in love, now I question my own feelings and how I should define them).

She understands

Freshman year in highschool, I met a girl. We instantly got along great and I remember we talked a lot. She had a boyfriend that didn't go to school (he was a drop out), but I knew she liked me. I liked her too.

No for my dream.
I was in a classroom, I stood in front of the class and started explaining something very complex. Of course, it was simple to me. Everyone started laughing because to them it made no sence and sounded like nonsence. Of course, the girl I had just met was there, and she smiled and comforted me. She knew what I was talking about.

At the time, I just got out of gradeschool and I completely changed my behavior. I stopped being so annoying and tried to be more mature. I was a freshman, and looking back on it, I was still immature. Those were the good days. I felt like many people did not understand me. of course, people did, but nobody seemed to understand me as well as she did.

Worries and Doubts

Sometimes you dream about things that you are afraid of. In the dream I am about to explain, I also had a question that I didn't know the answer to. I never asked that girl out and it was sophmore year. She still had a boyfriend. They had an off/on relationship and I never seemed to be there at the right time to ask her out. There was another guy, a friend of hers, and he liked her too. She began to show more inturest in him. Of course, she didn't like him, but I didn't know at the time.

The chase

I was in this mansion. There was a huge dinner going on in this one room, but nobody seemed to notice what was going on. I was outside the room. Why the room was there, I honestly don't know.

The girl I liked began to withdraw from me more in real life. She started playing the silent treatment. In the dream, me and the other guy were both trying to find her. I was alone, but he had friends. We were all being chased by these mysterious shadowy figures. They were after the girl I liked as well. I remember that throughout the dream, I was almost caught many times by the shadowy figures. I was trying to find her before anybody else could. I was scared to death the other guy would find her before me.

I finally found her, outside. It was raining. I found her and I asked her what was wrong. She turned to me. She had a frown. She hesitated. As she began to speak, I woke up.

I was trying to find her because I felt like she was hiding from me. I felt like she wasn't close anymore. I was competing with the other guy which was also obvious. The whole dream revolved around me asking myself "why are things going downhill?" and I feared losing her.

Metaphores

Some dreams have metaphoric meanings. Common ones would be the sensation of falling, which ussually means you feel like you have no control.

At this time, I was being completely ignored by her. I dreamt we were both in a small room. It was dimly lit and we were both in these chairs, cadycorner from each other. She was naked (but when I looked at her, I had no perverted feelings what so ever). She was like an angel. I began to speak to her, but she got up and inturupted me. She said something to me, but I can not recall. I remember her turning around and on her back I saw a tattoo. It was a crowd of people, all looking foreword. I knew who they were as a whole, but not individually.

They were the people who influenced her past, present, and even future. I was looking for myself but there were too many people. I woke up.

The reason why I had this dream was because I thought she was absolutely beutiful, like an angel. I wanted to know why she didn't talk to me. The people on her back, they were all the people who had influenced her, helped her, and hurt her. I was looking for myself. I did not know if I would be one of those who would be part of that circle.

Conclusion

There are many different reasons why we dream and there are many different things that make us dream. There are many different influences. Often, a dream may have all of the things I mentioned above. Some may have weird little things you remember in them, while at the same time having a metaphoric meaning and showing your fears, feelings, and wants.
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NoNameC68

*wipes tear*
That was an amazing story. Now I know what all those signs meant! I am definitely going to start dream journals as I see how important they are to help you in real life. I never knew how they could mean so many different things and everything above cleared it all up for me. I have heard about the falling sensations and how it means your life is out of control and when you have a dream that you are ugly or have a beard or something then it means that you are trying to be something you're not.
It was truly inspirational and very heartfelt. I hope many others read this because it is very important.

Thanks NoNameC68.

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Nightmares always gives a peek of the future....

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I had this dream where I imagined there was a pack of werewolves tried to break into a place( I think it was a school) I was in with my classmates( weird huh)? They got in, the security guards( my dreams are scary but get mixed after a while) shot them but got mauled. I got attacked and I actually felt the claw marks! I went numb after a while but morphed into one of them. That was when I woke up.

Lately I had quite a few zombie dreams too, after watching ( I am Legend). I always ended up in dark corridors, chased by them. I really felt like I was running, it was terrible. Everyone I saw was either zombified or fled. The zombies ran fast and when they almost got me I awoke. It was really scary.

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I have had a lot of dreams about this one girl I once liked. I remember my firest dream of her and I remember a few other ones of her as well. I dreamt of her nearly every night.


Hmm, what kinda dreams were they?... XD Nah, I'm just kidding.

As for the subject of the thread, I think dreams can kill you. If you imagine a dream too scary for you, can't it lead to you having a heart attack? I don't know, it's just my theory.
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flippin i have heard that before but this kid at my school said his mom was having a dream and she was screaming and the next minute she dies it was freaky

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When you enter REM sleep (the part of slep when most dreaming takes place) your body becomes paralysed. This prevents you acting out your dreams. Studies have shown that when the part of the brain that controls this paralysis is removed or unable to function people and animals will act out their dreams(not necessarily sleep walking).

From what I think Dacer was saying about controlling dreams. "Lucid" dreams have been proeven to exist. It seems it is easy to train your brain yo achieve these and they allow you to have much more control over your dreams throughout the sleep.

You are much nore likly to have nightmares int REM sleep as well. And it is thought that nightmares train your body to cope with real life situations. Even the more outlandish nightmares have some root in reality it seems.

My favourite theories behind dreams are by Freud. He stated the brain had a super-ego (the conscience), the ego (pre-conscious) and the id (subconscious). The super-ego wants to act in a socially acceptable manner and aims for perfection. The id is basic it wants simple pleasure at any cost. The ego "seeks to please the idâs drive in realistic ways that will benefit in the long term rather than bringing grief.". The id and super-ego are opposites. while the ego is like a peace keeper. Dreams therefore are what the super-ego allows through to the conscious mind as an interpretation of what the id wants.

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cool theory pixie, after reading this i jumped to Wikipedia and searched "Freud". so cool!

i have a question. the last four months i had no dreams, and the dreams before that were very unclear and random. does this mean i have a bad memory?

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