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Vert3x
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Another one for you guys: Was Jesus a lunatic, a good teacher, God, or something else? This should get interesting...

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Communist
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Jesus what just a very nice guy who happen to hear a few too many voices in his head as he walked around.

Pixie214
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He wasn't VOICES it was the voice of his Father up in Heaven


Could anyone else hear these "voices" that spoke to Jeses?
paintballer222
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Jesus was from God so God could talk to him. I don't think there was any other voices didrectly from God except in the desert when the Isreallites were escasping from Egypt. There is also angels that can talk to you to save you if your time is not up.

Rkyeet
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He was a really nice guy who drunk a hell of a lot of wine.

DannyAG
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@Rkyeet

I don't think Nice is a good descriptive word for Jesus. Have you read Mark 11:15-19? (He drove people out of the temple and over turned tables)

Jesus also claimed to be the only way to eternal life, which means if you didn't believe in Him you would go to Hell.

That doesn't seem like a Nice guy to me, unless you believe what He says. Then saying 'I am the way, the truth and the life' (John 14:6) is Nice because He's saving people from Hell.

nichodemus
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Jesus is kinda a complicating character. Refering to Daniel's point. Well Im not really sure about this, I'm a Buddhist. But I believe all religions ( not satanic worship or that sort of cult) are good essentially, they teach you to be a better person. Some people misinteprete that point so its kinda sad.

Parsat
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I don't think Nice is a good descriptive word for Jesus. Have you read Mark 11:15-19? (He drove people out of the temple and over turned tables)


"Nice" does not connote being happy about everything. Christ was angry at the greed happening in the temple, so he aimed to fix and discipline.
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I belevie Jesus is not the son of God. First of all it did not say anything about his childhood. ONly When he was born and when he was 15. Second of all he did miracles (wow!) that's why everyone else is saints. Most of the stories is what he said not what he did(except miracles). Then he did sin. But supposidly it was because people were selling goods in the Great Temple. Also most of the first books about him were in egpytian.SOme were even letters.

paintballer222
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wining the lottery is not a miracle it's a thing of chance. A miracle is the flood healing the red sea.

Moegreche
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Jesus isn't a god incarnate, he is the Son of God. Huge difference. =p Bring it on Moe, atheism is a flawed idea.


That's an interesting sort of red herring rebuttal, but I suppose I'll respond anyway
According to Orthodox Christianity, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were all one god, often referred to as the holy trinity. But I suppose that's the problem with religious doctrine is that people just end up creating new versions of it.
But are you saying that Jesus was not a god? Well, I guess if you are identifying those two concepts as different, then you don't follow Orthodox Christianity. You must not consider Jesus, then, to be a deity because that would mean that your religion is polytheistic. But that would mean you reject Jesus' divinity, which I think really flies in the face of what it means to be a Christian. These sorts of inconsistencies crop up all the time in religious doctrine of all kinds. And THAT is what is flawed...
KoolFace
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Jesus was part of the holy trinity. Jesus(the son),God(the father),the Holy Ghost(the holy spirit). I am a Prostant Christian and I am a open minded person an well educated in most religions an would love to have a intelletual discussion with you over this. =]

Moegreche
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I would still maintain that the story of Mithra is at least a very probably counterexample to the concept of Jesus. I used to not really care if Jesus really existed or not, but now I'm fairly convinced he never did.
But my major point earlier was more directed at whomever it was I was quoting (I've forgotten now). I think you have to accept Jesus as a god incarnate or you are forced into a contradiction within the basic doctrine that defines Christianity.
But one you accept Jesus as a deity, it seems like Christianity becomes a polytheistic religion, or an exercise in logical contradictions. If you have three unique entities, then they are unique - they simply can't be identical.

Lloyd
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I see Jesus as the son of God, a good teacher. I respect others' beliefs, but I personally believe in Jesus Christ as God, and am considered Christian.

KoolFace
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I would still maintain that the story of Mithra

What is the story?

Also, just was curious on your viewpoint that Jesus never exsisted. He is recorded in history books multiple times by multiple countries...Romans, Jews, etc..etc.. Most people know for a fact that he exsisted, but debate that he wasnt a "God". Where do you draw the fact that he never exsisted when there are multiple recordings of him in history text books?
Zootsuit_riot
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If you have three unique entities, then they are unique - they simply can't be identical.


And this is where the circular logic that Christians use while debating often comes into play:

"It's so because God wants it to be."

I'm really sick of people arguing the existence of God while assuming that he exists, and using that belief as part of their argument.

"Well how do explain ______ and ______?"

"God probably did it."
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