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Toadlord
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New Hampshire recently joined Massachusetts, Connecticut, Iowa, and Vermont in legalizing same-sex marriage.

This is obviously a big victory for gay and lesbian advocates.

Maine is also looking good in the fight for same-sex marriage, and may make it legal as soon as next week.

There is also a group called Gay & Lesbian Advocates & Defenders, a group of lawyers who led the legal fight for same-sex marriage in Massachusetts and Connecticut, who have set a target of bringing same-sex marriage to all New England states by 2012. Maine could make them only one away from their goal.

What do you think? Do you think they will reach their goal?

How long until same-sex marriage is legalized throughout the whole country?

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thisisnotanalt
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P.P.S. Im still waiting for that link and quote that shows those 1,138 federal rights.


If you read my post, you would know that I DID post the link. . . .
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The pilgrims came to the New World to escape prosecution of the English church, that can be found in my history books


The pilgrims didn't write the Constitution. . . .
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could you please point out where in the constitution that it supports your statement.

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I already friggin' did. . .it is unconstitutional because it prevents a person to pursue happiness. Also, gay marriage doesn't violate the equal rights of another, and whilst it doesn't directly state it, gay marriage is something that is in the pursuit of happiness for homosexual couples, and denying that is denying 1,138 federal rights, so it violates the pursuit of happiness statement AND the freeedom one.
napolian654321
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Me too. I'm glad we're finally coming to our senses.

Wow, I don't think its possible to have senses when you like a man. Thats just my opinion. I believe in what the Bible says, and it says marriage is between a man and a women.
Green12324
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Wow, I don't think its possible to have senses when you like a man.


So you're saying that if someone is homosexual they cannot think at the level of a heterosexual person?
napolian654321
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So you're saying that if someone is homosexual they cannot think at the level of a heterosexual person?

Well, I was trying to say I just don't understand how somewone can like another person from their own sex, I just don't see how somewone could. Sorry I suppose I didn't word that very well, my apologies
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Well, I was trying to say I just don't understand how somewone can like another person from their own sex, I just don't see how somewone could. Sorry I suppose I didn't word that very well, my apologies


Ahh ok, that makes more sense. I think that it depends on their environment, how they're taught to believe. If someone was raised in a community where homosexuality was the norm, then I think that it would be very normal to them. Just like it's more normal to us to be heterosexual.
Yakooza99K
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I smell a civil war brewing

napolian654321
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I smell a civil war brewing

I don't think it will become that serious, but I do think it is an issue.
Zootsuit_riot
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I don't think it will become that serious, but I do think it is an issue.


Why is it an issue when we've got a failing economy, two wars overseas, and a degrading global image?

It's disgusting that people at the national level would try to make issues like this overshadow the global problems that we need to solve.
napolian654321
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It's disgusting that people at the national level would try to make issues like this overshadow the global problems that we need to solve.

Woooooooow there hold on a second. That is what I call an overeaction my friends. It is an issue I think. Its an opinion. Why don't I say. I think it is disgusting when people feel that certain things aren't issues that are! Bah!
Toadlord
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Why is it an issue when we've got a failing economy, two wars overseas, and a degrading global image?

It's disgusting that people at the national level would try to make issues like this overshadow the global problems that we need to solve.


That's easy to say when you, a straight person, already have the right to marry.

Think of the ones who are deprived of this right. I imagine it's a rather big deal for them, no?
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Look I have no problem with Gays at all. My aunt is Gay, and my cousin [a man] is bisexual. But marriage is for a man and woman, a sacred bond for REPRODUCING and keeping the human population going. Now if Gays want to get "Married", fine. But call it something else, and give it it's own speech because in "Gay Marriage", this line doesn't work:

"Now may the Groom kiss the Bride".

Haha, it doesn't work! It would be changed to:

"Now may the Bride kiss the, ugh... Bride?!"

Hehe.

fear_the_ibex
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The pilgrims came to the New World to escape prosecution of the English church, that can be found in my history books

The pilgrims didn't write the Constitution. . . .

I didn't say that, but their descendants did (in the way that people followed the pilgrims, and their following generations did). But that is a minuscule statement. Once again here is the link:
www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.overview.html


could you please point out where in the constitution that it supports your statement.
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I already friggin' did. . .it is unconstitutional because it prevents a person to pursue happiness. Also, gay marriage doesn't violate the equal rights of another, and whilst it doesn't directly state it, gay marriage is something that is in the pursuit of happiness for homosexual couples, and denying that is denying 1,138 federal rights, so it violates the pursuit of happiness statement AND the freeedom one.

OK, first you need to chillax -- now let me straighten out a few things for you. The Declaration of Independence was singed by the second continental congress, and sent to the King of England, essentially telling him that they were free men, and the king was going against their freedom. This is the document that contains the phrase, and I quote from www.ushistory.org:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness
This document DOES NOT give us our laws. Then towards the end of the Revolution, another document was made and signed by congress, this was the Constituition of these United States of America. In it they outlined the new government, later on though, they found they had to make amendments, these were called the Bill of Rights. So when you say that it is unconstitutional to deny 'rights' to the gays, then you are saying that there is something in the constitution that allows these people their 'rights', and now I ask you, will you please point it out, otherwise, your argument that is unconstitutional, does not hold any value since its false.

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As for the Equality Matters site, first of all it is a biased source, it is clearly advocating for gay 'rights', hence the propaganda that put on their site will be so to influence your mind towards their cause. Even so, I clicked on the "view more" for the rights and they listed less than 100, which 100<1138 in my book, nowhere on that site did they have a complete broken down list. They more clearly state 1,138 REASONS which do not equal rights in my book.

Now for the other site, I first clicked on the
⢠What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation?
If you are looking somewhere else, please let me know, under this a short paragraph follows:
There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation.

BAM! first sentence they clearly state this there is no absolute truth yet about whether it is nature or nurture. Next significant sentence is:
Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.

I even highlighted the key word in this phrase, THINK, THINK, THINK. Thinking is not a fact for which you can base an argument, these scientists have not yet made a logical deduction based on the scientific method as to the causes for homosexuality.

P.S. Sorry, it wasn't until after I made my post that I realized that you had in fact provided the link, I beg your pardon, I acted prematurely.
Strop
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Even so, I clicked on the "view more" for the rights and they listed less than 100, which 100<1138 in my book


100 > 0.

Enough said on that, methinks. Unless you want to start mounting an argument that positively justifies discriminatory witholding of rights.
Strop
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"Now may the Groom kiss the Bride".


And it's Adam and Eve etc. etc.

I'm sure that as adaptible humans we are more than capable of forming conventions that would suit the changed circumstances in same-sex marriages.
Strop
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@ first four posts on this page:

You guys are talking at cross-purposes. One is criticising the fact that people hold strong enough anti-gay-marriage sentiments for it to be an issue, another appears to be directly contradicting this by saying it IS an issue, and yet another appears to be saying it is an issue from a pro-gay-marriage view point. Now all we need is somebody from the anti- camp to say that it shouldn't be an issue and we'll have the full deck!

/end dry mode.

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