You know, this has been bugging me for about a year as I pieced it all together through rants in my brain. Ever since the slave ages, kids have not had full human rights in America. The closest to having full human rights was child labor, but that was something of slavery as it had tiny wages. Are children not human enough to have full human rights of freedom of speech, right to bear arms and earn a wages from doing something besides house chores?
Your posts are of an acceptable length- there is pretty much no such thing as pedantry here, so your post length concerns none of us- and should be moot to you as well.
@Biligum, I think all the "ro-rights" posters have left...they've been absent for quite some time, now...
Sorry, I had to take a break from armorgames for two days to go to a funeral. Hope my schedule doesn't mess up yours.
I hope your joking...did you read my whole post?
I guess I need to post "sarcasm" whenever I post something that's not meant to be taken literally. In which case, my second sentence above should have a large, bold word that's spelled S.A.R.C.A.S.M
I hate to break it to ya, but if you are smarter, you will do better in life...period...employers at a software industry won't go "Hmm...Jenkins is a super-smart computer wiz--but Steve really tries!" So, for the sake of the less smart ones, they need to be taught discipline. It takes responsibility and discipline to earn good grades, and grades are rewarded.
Great, lets go tell all the "less smart" kids thanks for working so hard for 18 years of education, here, have a low paying dead-end job to make up for it. Part of the point of western culture is hope, even for those who don't do so well. If all they have is discipline and responsibility, we would have never had a quarter of the inventions we do today. Instead of doing menial tasks to teach discipline, teach creativity and imagination so that future generations can expand the world, not just stick to the current status system. Any idiot can can work at a convenience store with discipline, but on the other hand anyone with creativity can create a better world
WOW! If it weren't for your parents, you wouldn't even BE HERE! Besides, the point of the parent/child relationship is so that the parent can help raise the child and prepare him for maturity. Since your parents are your closest blood-relatives, and nature just works that way naturally, the job of raising you was assigned to them.
Right. I wouldn't be here. I'm not emo, but on the other hand I don't give much gratitude for that. People hold on too much to their own lives. Given the choice between my life and saving a strangers, it probably be the strangers. That's just how I think. So when it comes to this situation, I view the fact that we had no say in the matter to be a negative.
FYI: Your Parents spent TONS of money and time and care and love on you, and what do you want them to do? Say, "Billy, it is against my ideals for you to chuck spaghetti at the walls, but since you may develop to find this action morally acceptable, I will allow you to continue...". Your parents know that they know what's right, and you should listen to them.
Again, we didn't have a say in this. If your a pampered pet dog, you may like being pampered, but you're still a pet. No, they don't know whats right 100%. You know what really pisses me off? Arrogance. And there you are, saying that adults instantly know whats right for the child. I'm not going to just sit back and accept what they say. Things like that lead to ignorance. Acceptance without questioning has lead to too many tragedies in the past, and that kind of thinking needs to disappear. Just because someones older and might have more experience doesn't make them right. Kids need to learn to back things up information, and that blind trust isn't always the right thing to have in someone.
Wow.. You guys need to quit whining and GET OVER IT!! Enjoy being a kid while you can! When you are older i bet your gonna be kicking yourself cause you couldn't wait to not be a kid anymore! you whining just shows you are to much a little kid to do the stuff anyway! and im only 15 and thats my point of view
That's great. You may have just proved part of their arguments by being 15 and posting a comment that's absolutely ridiculous, argumentative without backing it up, and insulting. I've never said that I "couldn't wait to not be a kid anymore". That's never been part of anyone's argument as far as I can remember. What we're saying is that rights aren't for a select group. Dude, look at your post. You're saying that we're whining? I honestly can't put into words how frustrating your comment is, its so simplistic and superficial I don't know where to start.
I guess I need to post "sarcasm" whenever I post something that's not meant to be taken literally. In which case, my second sentence above should have a large, bold word that's spelled S.A.R.C.A.S.M
Double Sarcasm is hard to pick up on... : )
If all they have is discipline and responsibility, we would have never had a quarter of the inventions we do today. Instead of doing menial tasks to teach discipline, teach creativity and imagination so that future generations can expand the world, not just stick to the current status system. Any idiot can can work at a convenience store with discipline, but on the other hand anyone with creativity can create a better world
a) How in God's name do you "teach" creativity?
b) I think that if the world was a bunch of creative idiots, it'd be a lot worse than a world full of boring smart people...
c) If you have no discipline, you could never see the publishing of an innovative idea through to the end...
Given the choice between my life and saving a strangers, it probably be the strangers. That's just how I think. So when it comes to this situation, I view the fact that we had no say in the matter to be a negative.
a) You don't know how arrogant you sound. "I know that if I had the choice between me and someone else, I would choose the honorable way and save him." When that day comes, let me know afterwards how you allowed that man to be killed...
b) It's be more relevant to say "I'd rather be dead than alive" as that is the point of what I said.
No, they don't know whats right 100%. You know what really pisses me off? Arrogance. And there you are, saying that adults instantly know whats right for the child. I'm not going to just sit back and accept what they say. Things like that lead to ignorance.
I didn't say they know what's right...I said they know they know what's right...big difference... Also, the point was more that they've earned the ability to raise you and sculpt your mind as they see fit.
Just because someones older and might have more experience doesn't make them right.
It probably makes them righter than you...
I feel bad for your parents...they obviously raised an ungrateful, unloving git...
I feel bad for your parents...they obviously raised an ungrateful, unloving git...
I feel sorry for your parents. Having to raise such an assuming, flaming person. . .how sad. Please, don't flame. It's unnecessary and stupid. . . . ------
It probably makes them righter than you...
Possibly fits better. Not probably. I've proved a lot of older people wrong, and their age doesn't make them any less crushingly wrong.
Well at least their kid loves and trusts them...and respects them, especially.
That's a big and offensive assumption. ------ But what I mean is that age has a very small object in overall intelligence. It irks me extremely when people think that age = intelligence. It's not age as much as education- and while there is a correlation, correlation does not mean transfer of fault for results. ------- Eh, I don't see anything worth debating in the rest of your post~
*glare* I have a single thing to comment on, besides "Stop acting like 6-year-olds"... The "Make them righter" thing. As already stated intelligence =/= age. There is a bunch of children knowing so much more than their parents. And there is adults knowing a lot more than their children. Each generation develops in new ways, which means that we have a different focus. There should be two terms here: Intelligence and wisdom. You can be intelligent without being wise, and be wise without being intelligent, we know that. But usually wisdom comes with experiences, and age. To some point wisdom is more important than intelligence, because while you might know a lot and be able to recite Shakespeare and everything, if you lack wisdom, you might make wrong choices. This helps you to gain wisdom, as you will remember what happened last time, but you will still have acted stupidly. I still miss to live at home and be a child. I am sure that I will learn how to take care of myself, that I will gain wisdom with the challenges I face, but I still does not feel like and adult, I still be incapable of being me and not me and my family. Because with age comes responsibility. And it is so much easier to let someone else take the responsibility.
To have rights means responsibility. Some adults are not ready for that responsibility and never will be, while some children are more than capable of taking the responsibility. Good thing is that these children will grow and eventually get the rights, and maybe have grown with the assignment. Bad thing is that the adults incapable of taking responsibility still is given rights, and that is when it goes horribly wrong.
You promote it through class styles. Instead of having a kid get definitions for 50 words, have them do a project instead. It still gets the same basic thing done, but they have an element of freedom to it that makes them think about the assignment, not just copy answers down. Maybe you won't get the discipline of flipping through a dictionary, but a kid will get much more out of it. I could go look up some study's that show hands-on activity's teach much better if you'd like.
b) I think that if the world was a bunch of creative idiots, it'd be a lot worse than a world full of boring smart people...
So being creative means your an idiot, and being smart means your boring? This isn't a choice between the two. You'll still have the "boring smart people", but if they can think on their own instead of memorizing facts, they'll be much better off
c) If you have no discipline, you could never see the publishing of an innovative idea through to the end...
Discipline doesn't necessarily make people see things through to the end. You may be disciplined enough to try to stick it through, but if you don't believe in, its not always enough. Having persistence, even stubbornness, you'll get the same results.
a) You don't know how arrogant you sound. "I know that if I had the choice between me and someone else, I would choose the honorable way and save him." When that day comes, let me know afterwards how you allowed that man to be killed...
This is the trouble with the internet. First of all, you completely change my words. Don't. You want to quote me, copy and paste, don't make your own words up. Second, arrogance isn't a factor in this. I'd save that person, not because I want to be a fricken hero, I could care less about that. Maybe its because I have low self esteem, but I think I'd care more about that person than myself. You can take that for arrogance if you want, but it'd be exactly the same thing you did above with completely changing my words to suite yourself.
I didn't say they know what's right...I said they know they know what's right...big difference... Also, the point was more that they've earned the ability to raise you and sculpt your mind as they see fit.
...... Thats exactly the same thing, no matter how you think about it. If you know whats right, and you know you know whats right, you still end up knowing whats right. No difference. Earned the right to sculpt someones mind as they see fit? So anyone who pays money earned the right to sculpt someones mind? Think of the hellhole this world would be if the rich earned the right to sculpt the others minds by paying for them.
It probably makes them righter than you...
I feel bad for your parents...they obviously raised an ungrateful, unloving git...
Mmm, nice way to back up that statement there. As for the ungrateful, unloving git, thanks, I appreciate the flaming. Always makes a person feel better after coming back from a funereal. Still, if you want me to reply to this I have absolutely no problem getting banned. You want to judge me and my life by my opinion off an internet forum? I just find that amusing.
Well at least their kid loves and trusts them...and respects them, especially.
My opinion here doesn't necessarily mean I hate my parents. Reading too much into things isn't a good skill.
