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afroninja1723
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A little thing I noticed about most religions. If most religions say you are going to Hell if you don't follow their faith than aren't we all going to either Hell or Heaven for not following/ following said religions? Just wondering your thoughts on this and if anyone else has also noticed this.

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BigP08
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Heaven... Trillions of miles above us in the clouds or beyond space...


Hell... Yeah we'd probably go down and there and realize that we'd melt immediately. I think we would have noticed if there actually was such a thing as hell. IN THE EARTH???


I think it is imperative that I point out the stupidity in these statements before it is forgotten. Christians don't believe that heaven is up and hell is down. We believe they exist in different universes that we CANNOT get to. Just because old cartoons have spirits float up into the clouds doesn't mean that's what it's like.

Hell if you believe in it and want to go there you're just 100% plain crazy already

That's rather rude. First of all, if it exists, we'd all want to go there, so I'm not 100% crazy for that. Religion doesn't mess up my life, and it actually adds to my morals, so I'd be crazy not to follow it. If it doesn't work for you, that's okay.

some fake guy that doesn't exist.

Are there fake guys that do exist? Are there real guys that don't exist? No offense, but you repeat the same points over and over again.

If you want to discuss your beliefs and your points against the existence of Hell, find a way to subtract unnecessary bashing and repetition of the same thing. A lot of people are religious, and to say that all of them are 100% crazy for believing in something more than this life seems like an unfair generalization.
BigP08
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no one is going to hell. its a pile of ****ing bull ****.

Atheists are stupid for not believing in Christianity. It's a pile of ****ing bull**** and they're all going to Hell.

See how rude and unhelpful this post is? Don't be like me.
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Y'know what I think?

I think people should be good regardless of heaven or hell, because it's helpful to our world. Then if there turns out to be a hell, you won't go to it.

Problem solved :P

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I think they just don't exist and I don't care for your opinion at all BigP08. So yeah you just wasted your time replying to me because I don't care about you or what you say. Then you say being Atheist is stupid so you are calling all Atheists out there stupid then you called me rude. Yeah I guess I can be rude sometimes but ... FAIL!

BigP08
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FAIL to you, Karoc, as you can't recognize clear sarcasm. I quoted somebody else saying almost exactly what I was saying, then I CLEARLY said:

See how rude and unhelpful this post is? Don't be like me.

My point being that people post here to debate and to listen to what the other people have to say. If you don't care what anybody else has to say, why should they care what you have to say?
Karoc
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I don't care if they do or don't you fail... I only posted it for a point.

BigP08
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And so did I. I was making a point against your point. It doesn't matter if you care or not, because others will.

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I'm a Christian, but I don't believe that you will go to hell just for not believing in God. If you are a good person then I believe that you will be judged accordingly.

Same goes to if you are a bad person. I believe that those who are dreadful beings will be judged by the same principles.

And I don't believe in limbo, so that doesn't fit into my equation.

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Man created god(s): they needed to comfort themselves with the idea of a supreme deity. It's simply a code to live by. If there is a heaven, and if there is a hell, then we are already in it.

Karoc
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For a point as in 1 point not an opinion/statement smartso and no nobody else cares about your point because nobody's even going to read it. You still fail!

BigP08
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For a point as in 1 point not an opinion/statement smartso and no nobody else cares about your point because nobody's even going to read it. You still fail!

I don't think you understand how the forums work. Why would people know they wouldn't want to read my post without reading it? And how do I fail? Simply because nobody would read what I wrote? I know you're reading it, so that's one. And people who care about the debate will read it. But it doesn't offend me if they don't, much like it doesn't offend you. And as you have no valid points to make I don't think you can tell anyone else that they've failed. If you really want to prove that nobody's reading my post, don't respond, and then I'll know you're not reading it.


nobody else cares about your point because nobody's even going to read it.

Don't you mean nobody's even going to read my point because nobody else cares about it? What you wrote makes absolutely no sense.

I think people should be good regardless of heaven or hell, because it's helpful to our world. Then if there turns out to be a hell, you won't go to it.

There's a piece of wisdom right there.
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Hell is somewhere I want to go....I wanna be the one to tell the Devil Himself that he won, were already corrupt enough so stop effing the world up worse, then I would burn for an eternity screaming "IT WAS WORTH IT!" the whole time....

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A little thing I noticed about most religions. If most religions say you are going to Hell if you don't follow their faith than aren't we all going to either Hell or Heaven for not following/ following said religions? Just wondering your thoughts on this and if anyone else has also noticed this.


I've used this quote in another topic, but I'd say it's applicable here too:

''Although the time of death is approaching me I am not afraid of dying and going to hell or (what would be considerably worse) the popularized version of Heaven. I expect death to be nothingness and, for removing me from all possible fears of death, I am thankful to atheism.''

-Isaac Asimov

I think people should be good regardless of heaven or hell, because it's helpful to our world. Then if there turns out to be a hell, you won't go to it.


Now we are back to Pascal's Wager:

The point is that the wager, or being a believer ''just in case'', is quite honestly more pathetic than either of the other stances.

When you say ''I believe in God because I don't want to go to hell'', you are basically saying ''I am not going to completely cop out, and hope that I might be right''.

If you want to believe in God, be my guest, but Pascal's Wager is a pretty crappy reason to believe.

Consider if you would, a scenario. What if you are wrong (about which deity to worship)? I know you believe you are right, but what if you aren't? What if God is actually Yaweh, Allah or Brahma?

Will you then go to hell (even if you have lived a 'good' life)? Most religions say you'll be hellbound. And honestly that's something you ought to consider.

So there's a chance, however miniscule, that you'll have lived your life in the service of an imaginary God.

But the nontheist lives life however he/she chooses. When we die, we may have regrets, things that we never tried or didn't say, but it was our decision to make.

And when we die, if we are wrong, and a popularized view of god exists, well, we go to hell. I'm alright with that. It's not like an eternity in Heaven would be any better. And if we're right, well, nothingness doesn't scare me either. We experience it with alarming frequency. Every night. When we sleep.
BigP08
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But the nontheist lives life however he/she chooses. When we die, we may have regrets, things that we never tried or didn't say, but it was our decision to make.

I suppose that's one way to look at it. In my case, I probably wouldn't change my life if I decided to turn atheist. I mean, I'd have an hour more free time on Sunday, but other than that, religion doesn't prevent me from doing anything I want to do.
And when we die, if we are wrong, and a popularized view of god exists, well, we go to hell. I'm alright with that.

I assume by the popularized god you mean a god that sends you to Hell based on your religious beliefs. If so, then no, there wouldn't really be much wrong with Hell. But in my Christian beliefs, it seperates good from evil, looking beyond faith. So you wouldn't go to Hell unless you were a bad person.
I also don't go by Pascal's Wager because either way I'd try to be a good person, and in my beliefs that's what gets you to heaven. Nothingness doesn't really scare me either, and if I'm wrong, oh well. My life is worth living regardless of religion.
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Here's what I believe, since I dont follow any specific religion but still believe in god, You go to your own heaven where everything you like is there, or you go to your own hell where everything is your own worst nightmare.

By the way wouldn't Muslims get kinda tired of the virgins they'ed been promised.

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