Do you realize we are the only ones with rational thought high enough to even conclude that we where made from a higher level of sentience, yet that conclusion was clearly stated before the technology to find the evidence of evolution. And that *poof* we where made? Or something along those lines? Even though matter cannot be destroyed or created... weird. We could be "aliens" you know! I say "aliens" because that includes something foreign to this planet. And sense scientists can't conclude how life on earth came to be... Well couldn't a bacterium, or more, hitch a ride on an asteroid to primitive earth?
Anyway, this whole God thing is strange. We can't rely on sightings of others non-documented ideas. Kind of like the people who don't believe in ghosts. You haven't seen them so there's no reason to believe they exist. But there are millions of documentations of ghosts. But none for God.
Ghosts: 1 God: 0
And what about all the documentations and evidence of evolution? Sure you can't see it in a life time but come on, open your eyes! There are millions of species who look similar and have almost identical DNA!
hmmm. Speaking of DNA, do you know that a human's DNA (complete) and a mouse's one differ in less than 10%, in terms of genes performing similar functions? Speaking of "documentations about God" - well, there are some, you just don't believe them. About "who is going to Hell?" - well, I think that those who deny Him will, and probably some others, but all the faithful, no matter the religion, have a chance not to get there.
About the main topic - well, there are still miracles, which can be explained by some extraordinary randomness of the world, or other scientific explanation (although it might be true sometimes, humans are sometimes to forge miracles), but there are some that aren't yet explained, like a person curing his cancer by (well I don't remember what was that, meditation or prayer or some other spiritual practice) his own force of will, as seen from here. Personally I do believe in God, and He really made me a miracle already - I thought I can't love, and now I am.
All I'm saying is it's a possibility. I really don't know if that's the way it works for sure. Chaos theory's tricky that way. And what's with the personal shots dude? I disagree with you sure but lighten up. I'm not some Bible-thumper. I thought this was just a mature sharing of ideas.
Yes, and it's also possible that cows are the most intelligent life form on the planet, but we just don't understand them, or that the tooth fairy really exists. You're ignoring probability. As for the 'ersonal shot', if you're going to drag me down in the muck & compare me to a common believer and that I accept science and mathematics on faith I'm going to take that as an insult, so expect fair play in return for those kinds of remarks.
Exactly. I've been saying not to try and guess what He's thinking because you'll never get it right on the money. I think people should focus on the positive teachings, and proper interpretation of said teachings, instead of saying they know what God wants and God wants you to buy my Self Help Book. Praise Jesus! That kind of stuff.
Uh. You completely missed my point, which was simply: god does not exist by any remotely acceptable evidence, so debating the wishes of something that does not exist is irrelevant.
About the main topic - well, there are still miracles, which can be explained by some extraordinary randomness of the world, or other scientific explanation (although it might be true sometimes, humans are sometimes to forge miracles), but there are some that aren't yet explained, like a person curing his cancer by (well I don't remember what was that, meditation or prayer or some other spiritual practice) his own force of will, as seen from here. Personally I do believe in God, and He really made me a miracle already - I thought I can't love, and now I am.
And was the development of this cancer actually carefully monitored by medical & scientific staff before, during, and after this spiritual practice, and ensured that he was receiving no modern medical treatment for it? I've seen cases of people wanting to further the cause of religion or conversion to religion by claiming miracles in this fashion, when either the person never had cancer to begin with, or was treated at a modern health facility & then omitted that tiny detail when extoling the virtues of being a member of the faith. There's always an explanation.
Has Prayer ever worked, for you, family, pets even?
Many people prays so someone by a coincidence he will be helped to solve or make less important his problem, these persons see it a sign of existence of God, I hope that is not, cause I hope that if a God or superior being exists doesn't choose who to help and many times aids the "bad".
And was the development of this cancer actually carefully monitored by medical & scientific staff before, during, and after this spiritual practice, and ensured that he was receiving no modern medical treatment for it?
AFAIR before and after it was monitored, and that practice did take a prolonged amount of time (some 1 year). As for "there's always an explanation" - yes sure, but there might be another one, as true as the first one. Especially if that's the case of something not yet studied fully, which is cancer, or something that cannot be studied in whole, such as God (though you can receive some knowledge about Him, you will not get the whole picture).
Has Prayer ever worked, for you, family, pets even?
Krizaz, yes, it worked for me, and more than once.
AFAIR before and after it was monitored, and that practice did take a prolonged amount of time (some 1 year). As for "there's always an explanation" - yes sure, but there might be another one, as true as the first one. Especially if that's the case of something not yet studied fully, which is cancer, or something that cannot be studied in whole, such as God (though you can receive some knowledge about Him, you will not get the whole picture).
So... how about some details about this miracle story? News post? Medical study data? I'm not going to take your word for it. I'm sure if one of the members of your family takes cancer you'll go with the meditation & prayer only route.
Krizaz, yes, it worked for me, and more than once.
Well then, let's hear your miracles that couldn't possibly have come to pass without god to make it happen.
How do you know it wasn't?
Because there's no god to hear prayers? That was easy.
This is why arguing religion is pointless every argument the religious side gives is completely circular
