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TSL3_needed
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What do you think about it? Cruel and unusual, or rightfully deserved? What do you think about the protocol associated with execution?

Anyone wants to see how we do it in Texas, you can find it here. You'll be quite surprised at the sheer quantity of executions.

Discuss.

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goumas13
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The simplest things is having good schools, when someone is educated rarely does crimes and he doesn't belong to any gang.

TSL3_needed
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The best solution to your little gang problem would be to make Joseph Stalin president of the United States, there were no such gangs polluting the streets of Moscow while he was around! Sure things might get a trifle bit strict, but you can't argue that it wouldn't work!


I believe I mentioned totalitarianism somewhere back there.

there is a law that defines that the use of the death penalty is allowed.
anyway, the use of punishment methods is not solving the crime problem of a country.
in this case you cure symptoms not the illness


Here's another interesting statistic. 80+% of the prisoners released from prison are back within a day. We don't cure anything with incarceration. If anything, we make it worse.
IPwnU2Day
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Sure things might get a trifle bit strict, but you can't argue that it wouldn't work!


Something about getting murdered for no apparent reason and starving to death sounds a little strict to strict for my taste. He killed more people than hitler did.

You can't prevent murder people. You can just condemn it and punish for it.
VoteSocialist
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There was no Tartar gang in Russia. No Jewish minority gangs either. Premier Stalin made sure that these troublemakers would pop up and pollute the CCCP. The only way to stop crime completely is with a totalitarian dictatorship, otherwise you can only try to deter it.

goumas13
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Here's another interesting statistic. 80+% of the prisoners released from prison are back within a day.

Some times imprisonment is the worst solution example you arrest a 18 year boy who stole a car, you put it in a prison there he will find many criminals who will probably recruit him in some gang and will ruin his life of living with a non illegal way.
VoteSocialist
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Would not pop up

I'm terribly sorry for the confusion.

IPwnU2Day
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The only way to stop crime completely is with a totalitarian dictatorship, otherwise you can only try to deter it.


And that is what we are doing, detering it. With a dictatorship like you are talking about, you lose alot of rights and freedoms.

"Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither." -Benjamin Franklin

Read that over a couple of times, let it sink in...
TSL3_needed
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Ipwnu2day, you forgot the end of it.

"Those who would give up liberty for security deserve neither, and should lose both."

But yes, read it over.

IPwnU2Day
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Ipwnu2day, you forgot the end of it.


My bad
goumas13
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It's like this one:
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

VoteSocialist
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I have no recollection of saying that the United States of America should have a totalitarian leader. I did say, however, that a Stalinist leader make crime unheard of. I am theorizing that it is impossible to stop crime in a land with so many freedoms. Otherwise, we would have a Utopia on our hands.

But then again a devout Buddhist society would be a trifle bit different! Some basic privledges are not and should not be prerogative of the richest or most intelligent.

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that a Stalinist leader make crime unheard of.


having a stalinist leader does not make crime unheard of. its just hidden behind a facade of a law.
its the system that is filled with crime when you have such a leader
VoteSocialist
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Indeed, the only "crimes" were speeking out against the government, but I didn't know there was an al capone in Russia back in the 20s and 30s...

donpiet
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Indeed, the only "crimes" were speeking out against the government, but I didn't know there was an al capone in Russia back in the 20s and 30s...


they hadnt.
instead they had a system that killed or imprisoned or tortured or did whatever it wanted to you because of even an assumption of a reason.
as a person you had no rights and had to live in constant fear.

and these are only some of the crimes the stalinist did to their people.
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Is it true still that the only way you can get the death penalty in Michigan is for treason?

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