Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
Are you being serious Kirby? Why would God want them to make animals dance? Plus, the Bible says that they will turn water into blood, so that is what will happen. (Moses turned the Egyptians water into blood)
Revelations sounds like ol' John had one hella of party and wrote down what he saw. ( "Damn that...Hic!..was a whole lot of...Hic!... Booze and shroom...Hic!...Gawd this hangover!!..Hic!.. Now where was I...oh yeah! There was that guy...Hic! with that sick 666 robe on. I'm pretty sure that was Satan..Hic! and also..I could have sworn I saw some mega-slut rising out of Babylon too..Hic!..Oh s***! I forgot my dragon friends! -John when he wrote revelations)
Seriously there was like five beasts and six dragons or something. If read Revelations you know I not making this up.
Don't get me started on Christian "rock". I think screamo metal has beter vocals than that "rock". Also in my post the first **** is da.mn and the second is hore with the w.
What does that have to do with revelation or anything to do with the Bible? And as for John writing revelation, it does sound alot like he was on something. But when you think about the things that he saw, how would you describe a helicopter or lots of modern day things that you've never seen before? The discriptions, when you really think about it, could easily be modern day, or even future, weapons. And remember ontop of all of this John was in a vision that God gave him.
So you are saying we should still slaughter animals to atone for sin? No, Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, therefore we don't need to do that anymore.
Well, since it never says in the Bible to not sacrifice animals any more because Jesus was the ultimate sacrifice, then yes. That is, if you want to be considered Christian. Once again, you're not sure of that. You're guessing, and the correct answer right in front of you is to follow the entire Old Testament - why? Because Jesus said so.
We are sure of that, the slaughter of animals was a symbol looking forward to the coming of Christ, once He came there are no more records of animals being slaughtered for sacrifice, because Jesus came and already died for our sins. You have to look with believing eyes sir and see what is and is not fulfilled and what were symbols and what were not. The 10 commandments were created not to be followed but to show us that we are sinful, laws set by God were set to show us that we are condemned and we have no hope without Him.
Water being turned into blood Kirby is a serious thing, if your water is blood can you drink it? No, blood is a show of seriousness and death. Your idea of animals break dancing is just down right stupid, be serious and look at this, Revelations is a very serious book.
Thank you Parsat! I had missed this one and is a perfect defence! Here in Hebrews 9:11-28 it talks about how Jesus is our high priest and instead of using the blood of animals He used His own blood and entered heaven and redeemed us with His own blood. This here means that animals are no longer to be used for blotting out our sin because Jesus, a perfect and holy person, the Son of God, paid for our sins with His own blood. Then in chapter 10 it goes on to tell us how sacrificing animals is insufficient and states that the animals were not sacrificed to cover up our sin but to remind us that we are sinners and to look forward to the coming of Jesus the first time to die on the cross to blot out our sins. Thank you again Parsat!
We're all fallible, and I'm not sure what all the fuss is about proving Alt wrong. He's a rational guy with some rational views, and I think it's come to this because his questions aren't being answered directly.
If you think about it, the last answer you want to tell a nonbeliever is "Because God says so." You need a more logical procession of mind when it comes to it. That's the point of apologetics. I really like the discussion in this thread, and I know it's being pointed in a lot of different directions, but I feel there needs to be more of a focus on logos rather than ethos or pathos.
I would agree that it came to this because my points weren't met with any kind of source or any sort of backup that would disprove my argument - it was just my opponents saying 'we can discern.' So, I came to believe I was on the correct side - I haven't read Hebrews, so I didn't know about that passage. Once again, thanks for providing the source.
Anyway. . .I don't really know much about this story, but why would god only give them fire breath as a defense? I'm sure he, if he exists, would know that humans would have built weapons that could easily overcome turning water to blood and breathing fire. That's all that I can really nitpick now, as I don't really know much about this story.
OIt would e a lot harder to get food from livestock if they're dancing day and night - cows would dace out of their milk machine-things, chicken eggs would be tough to claim from under breakdancing chickens, and Kosher butchering can't be carried out when all Kosher animals are dancing. It would be pretty catastrophic. Also. . .these days, we have water filters that would filter out the red blood cells, so it wouldn't have much of an affect. ALSO, most bottled water comes from underground springs, which they couldn't reach to bloodify - bottled water would remain untouched for the most part. AND, a lot of water comes from aquifers, which they couldn't reach to bloodify either - so the majority of water would remain drinkable.
Breakdancing animals would be deadlier than water-blood transformation.
