Since I have joined Armorgams . . .I see a lot of Atheists and their threads about why people believe in God etc . . . I wanted to start a thread about the bible and christianity.
The purpose of this thread is to debate a different book of the bible each week. We will discuss lessons, morals, and different stories.
We will have friendly debates. Please . . . if you are atheist or of other beliefs . . . you may discuss in this thread, just PLEASE no fighting, flaming, spamming, trolling . . . etc
This week we will begin from the beginning . . . .Genesis
Right there he says that he fulfilled the old testament. The old testament is full of knowledge that we need to follow God but not all the rules are still active today.
Right there he says that he fulfilled the old testament. The old testament is full of knowledge that we need to follow God but not all the rules are still active today.
Not according to Jesus. Maybe you didn't read the second part of that sentence.
*ahem*
"I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place."
Gagamen: God own the world but Satan is the ruler. Who told me? The Bible did. Here is a few evidence:
Ephesians 2:1-3 --> 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedienceĂ¢" 3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body [1] and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. Here Satan is called the prince of the air.
Matthew 4:8-10, Satan showed Jesus all the glories of the world and promised to give it to Jesus if he worship him. Because Satan rules this world, he is able to make this promise. In fact, Satan has assuaged many to his cause because he gives them what they want - in return, people worship him (worshipping Satan is merely following in sin, doesn't have to be sacrificing goats or chickens or stuff like that that you see in pop culture).
In 2 Corinthians 4:4 - 4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. Here the Apostle Paul referred to Satan as the god of this world.
There are more but for now I'll just list these. I wonder if you'll even read all of them carefully.
Well for the most part, we are supposed to follow the New Testament. Here is a good link that explains why: http://www.kc-cofc.org/39th/IBS/Tracts/oldornew.htm I still think the Ten Commandments should be followed though. . .
snazzy, we are to follow the WHOLE Bible not pick and choose certain parts to follow and certain parts not to. What Jesus said was the the Law had been fulfilled in Him, therefore allowing us to disregard the Levitical law (which was supposed to be temporary aka 'the old covenant'. Now that Jesus died on the Cross and rose again from the dead, there is no need to follow Levitical law. This doesn't mean we don't follow the OT anymore because Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-18 "Don't think that I have come to destroy the Law of Moses or the teaching of the prophets. "I have not come to destroy them but to bring about what they said. I tell you the truth, nothing will disappear from the law until Heaven and Earth are gone. Not even the smallest letter or the smallest part of a letter will be lost until everything has happened."
Steven E Coffman says it right: "The Old Testament lays the foundation for the teachings and events found in the book of The New Testament, and binds the two books relationship with each other as one book. The Christian Bible is truly a book of progressive revelation, and no part should ever be thought of as less meaningful or ignored!"
You seem to not be able to accept that your religion is partially crazy. It says in the New testament to follow the Old Testament, and you';re trying to diminish the Old Testament. You're going against the Bible itself. Therefore, not following Leviticus, which is part of the Old Testament, means you are not obeying what Jesus is telling you to do.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." Matthew 5:17
Therefore, not following Leviticus, which is part of the Old Testament, means you are not obeying what Jesus is telling you to do.
Well the thing there is Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice and that precludes any further sacra fices, and then the argument would be that many of the Leviathan (Levitican, I don't know) laws were based on the culture in which they were established, and that some of the laws were created purley by men. However I do think we should follow the laws just the ones that are actually relevant and weren't removed during the New Testament.
When I say relevant I don't mean just discard laws that aren't "art of today's culture" but were create specifically for the Hebrews in c. 2000 BC
Well the thing there is Jesus is the ultimate sacrifice and that precludes any further sacra fices, and then the argument would be that many of the Leviathan (Levitican, I don't know) laws were based on the culture in which they were established, and that some of the laws were created purley by men. However I do think we should follow the laws just the ones that are actually relevant and weren't removed during the New Testament.
Keep in mind that the verse me and Hidden quoted was from Matthew, which is believed to be the actual testimonial from Jesus. So yes, it would be disobeying Jesus if you didn't follow the Old Testament.
Keep in mind that the verse me and Hidden quoted was from Matthew, which is believed to be the actual testimonial from Jesus. So yes, it would be disobeying Jesus if you didn't follow the Old Testament.
Like I said I agree but only if in the New Testament a law is revoked, or if the law was purely based on the cultural.
Alt, We are not going against our religion for we are to follow the teachings and laws yes, but first off, following the old testament to a point is what the Pharasies did and Jesus condemned them for this. You must read both and be dicerning as to what has and has not been fulfilled along with what does and does not still apply to today's time. Food and things like that were ruled off because they were a health issue in that day and age and cooking it just a bit off would make them very sick and die. As for the laws about immorality and bestiality we still follow these rules as they are obviously still meant for today. The Israelites were not to marry with the Cannanites or outside of their own people. But we are not Israelites are we? We are not God's chosen people we are what are known as God's elect. In reading through the new testament we see that currently it is the time of the Gentiles (all none jews) to be saved as in the old testament God's grace was almost exclussively among His own people. Not everything still applies and you must rely on the Holy Spirit to dicern this. But you cannot because you have not.
Alt, We are not going against our religion for we are to follow the teachings and laws yes, but first off, following the old testament to a point is what the Pharasies did and Jesus condemned them for this. You must read both and be dicerning as to what has and has not been fulfilled along with what does and does not still apply to today's time. Food and things like that were ruled off because they were a health issue in that day and age and cooking it just a bit off would make them very sick and die. As for the laws about immorality and bestiality we still follow these rules as they are obviously still meant for today. The Israelites were not to marry with the Cannanites or outside of their own people. But we are not Israelites are we? We are not God's chosen people we are what are known as God's elect. In reading through the new testament we see that currently it is the time of the Gentiles (all none jews) to be saved as in the old testament God's grace was almost exclussively among His own people. Not everything still applies and you must rely on the Holy Spirit to dicern this. But you cannot because you have not.
So how do you pick and choose which rules are obsolete and which ones are not? It doesn't say in the new testament "Forget these rules, they're crap" - it, without any room for interpretation (which is also a sin according to the bible I might add), indicates that the old testament is law, and should be followed as such.
If you can provide a passage from the new testament that says anything to the effect of replacing or not worrying about specific laws in the old testament, I'll concede; but until you do, *you're* the one making the decision on which rules to follow and which ones not to follow. You might, in reality be following the less important laws and ignoring the more important laws for all you know.
After all, isn't god's existence too complicated for any human to understand? How would you know which things he thinks are reasonable and which are not? If the new testament was meant to be it's own holy book that didn't recognize the old testament, it would be published *without* the old testament.
