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samy
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After putting some thought into the status of our public school, and the intellectual presence of America on the world stage. I've come to realized than the majority of our problems could be solved with smarter kids and the best way to get smarter kids is to get a better public school system.

And now debate.

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Flippin3500
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I don't really think that's the problem. It's just that we're too lazy. If we put a little effort into the things we do, we might progress a little.

"The times are a changin'!"

Luigi113
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my school is freaky... the boys do the work and the girls slack off... wierd huh?

thelistman
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The problem is that all public school reform punishes schools who do bad. So if a school is poor. needs new books, computers, and activities, but they don't meet standards, the government will cut their funding so they are worse off. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!?!?

snazzy777
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I agree. If we spent less time on the tv and more time trying to learn more, then we would have an educated generation of public school kids.

Talo
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Public schools teach to the weakest link. Most teachers have a 9th grade level, and home work is no longer required because students weren't doing it.

samy
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"The times are a changin'!"


Good song


The problem is that all public school reform punishes schools who do bad. So if a school is poor. needs new books, computers, and activities, but they don't meet standards, the government will cut their funding so they are worse off. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE!?!?


Well it doesn't at all, the school system doesn't get enough funding as it is, just imagine if we would have used all the stimulus money on public schools, in about 15 years we would have a generation of smarter children to take on our countries problems.

I don't really think that's the problem. It's just that we're too lazy. If we put a little effort into the things we do, we might progress a little.


I agree however, I only had to legitimate teachers this year at my school, honestly I think I would have made a better history teacher than my current one. I think it'd be great if a few of the best students from each grade could write reviews on their teachers and maybe get them fired if they're sub-par.
thelistman
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Also, No Child Left Behind (NCLB) is a joke.

The school I student taught at was an amazing school. Every year they receive dozens of awards for being one of the top schools in Illinois and in the nation. Even while a 50% poverty rate, 75% of the graduating class goes to college.

Despite this, NCLB labels this a bad school for four straight years because they failed ONE standard by mere percentage points. The school's test scores have been slightly low for disabled students, so NCLB has punished this school. If they fail one more year, every teacher and administrator is fired and replaces. It's complete garbage that failing one category by a couple percentage points can ruin one of the nation's top high schools.

thelistman
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Sorry for the double post; couple of spelling mistakes. Should say:

Even with a 50% poverty rate...
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every teacher and administrator is fired and replaced

samy
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@thelistman

I agree, but we didn't have much better at the time, the problem with NCLB is that it teaches as Talo said to the weakest link. In a perfect world we'd have different schools for different intelligence levels that we we could give the best education possible to specific groups. However the government apparently see's public schools as a way to make us mindless idiots (kidding..well I think I am) so they wont improve them.

TSL3_needed
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Also, No Child Left Behind (NCLB) is a joke.


Pfft, no kidding. Several kids at my school (Myself included) would do nothing at school, so we dragged the whole class down. With us.

Better public schools eh? How about better parents who don't let their kids get raised by the public schools. That would fix half our problems.
samy
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Better public schools eh? How about better parents who don't let their kids get raised by the public schools. That would fix half our problems.


Apparently the parents didn't learn anything about responsibilty at public schools so better ones would help negate that.
Aussinizi
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the problem is the only people it affects directly are the ones that can't do anything about it, the kids and teenagers

samy
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the problem is the only people it affects directly are the ones that can't do anything about it, the kids and teenagers


HA, this reminds me of last year when my school had a levy up, a senior got up and said we should let it fail because she works in a different town and doesn't want to have to pay for two schools, cost of the levy a nickel a day.
TSL3_needed
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Apparently the parents didn't learn anything about responsibilty at public schools so better ones would help negate that.


My point is that parents should learn how to raise their children. When they fail actually punish them. My friend failed twice and got in several fights and his parents didn't give a shiz. Guess what? He was raised in the public schools, and added to the stereotype. He's in prison for fourteen years on attempted murder and drug charges.
Flippin3500
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Good song


Aww, you caught that?

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Carry on.
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