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Dragon1Reborn
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obama wants to use our tax money to pay for abortions with the new health care bill, now for some people that would be ok with them. but for me i am Pro-life and i want to choise how my money is spent. what are your ideas?

p.s. this is not a forum to talk if abortion is bad or good just to see if it should be in the new health care

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Cenere
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You've crossed the fine line between abortion and miscarriage. Miscarriage, there's nothing the mother could do, so I want that to be funded. Abortion, on the other hand, different story.

But it is still an abort they get.
Then again, I should not care much, will not do anything to me.

Then again. My mother had to get an abortion because of my (what would have been my) littlesister. It was a miscarriage, but it is still done as an abortion (remember the abortion doctor who got shot for doing abortions on women with dangerous pregnancies?).
I just think, well, yes, some of it is stupidity (there should be laws against that), but simply taking away the option to get help (without paying up yourself) because of this is just as bad.
Instead, if the woman really wants an abortion, she will do it illegally, if she cannot pay herself.

abortion is deliberately killing your own baby "cuz you di'int want it". i don't like it because:
1. it is defined as murder
2. it's a get out of jail free card. you should take responsibility for your actions
3. just because you don't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't happen
4. as for rap.e, life isn't fair

Prolife much?
What about criminals? Should they be disallowed medical help because they murdered somebody, and therefor should take responsibility for their actions (though luck, mate)?
And no, life is not fair, but suicide might be the only way out then, and that is not very pro life.
Some woman are stupid and not demand protection (most men don't care), and that is really just sad for them. But abortion because of a rape? She would have to live with a child she hates, or give it away for adoption (funnily enough it makes the problem go away, like it never happened too, and without taking responsibility, just without the murder, huh).

I think abortions should be illegal. Let the person learn their mistake.

Wrong thread.

Now, I am not saying "Pay for other people mistakes!!" but asking "Why can you not let it be a part of it, for the sake of a better life?". Health care is both physical, but also mental.
And get some better campaigns for use of condoms, and kick the hard core Christians for disallowing them, because "Then the kids won't have sex".

I do not really know. As far as I know it has been in our taxes for a long time, and no one have ever cared to yell about it.
dms269
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Yeah, I think ruining the lives of intelligent young women because they met a hot guy is a real good idea as well. And you know what else I like? Bringing children into the world under conditions that they aren't fit for.


There is a thing called self control. If you know that you cannot care for a baby at your time in life, then don't have sex.
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[quote]There is a thing called self control. If you know that you cannot care for a baby at your time in life, then don't have sex.[quote]
No. That is not the decision. It is nota bout abstaining it is about protection. And condoms break buddy, not very often, but they do.

Graham
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Should they be disallowed medical help because they murdered somebody, and therefor should take responsibility for their actions (though luck, mate)


*death penalty thread*
petty thefts didn't disrupt anyone's health. if it were that way, if you punched someone you won't be allowed healthcare. i'm meaning if you use a medical practice to kill another you shouldn't be allowed to have it.

And no, life is not fair, but suicide might be the only way out then, and that is not very pro life.


i'm pro life so the individual has a choice, a 2nd person shouldn't decide to kill you because she doesn't want you.
Cenere
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No. That is not the decision. It is nota bout abstaining it is about protection. And condoms break buddy, not very often, but they do.

98 percent secure. That means, on average, 2 out of a hundred woman using a condom will end up pregnant anyway.

A 'funny' thing: If you fall on your skateboard and break something, you will have to pay yourself, because you were irresponsible, and it was your fail. Life is unfair.
You crash in your car, you kills somebody (it was an icy road for example): it was an accidental murder, but it was your fault, you murdered someone, you will have to pay yourself.
Yes, it is far fetched, but I am tired and wondering why it seems Americans are really selfish...
Then again...
Blu3sBr0s
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i'm pro life so the individual has a choice, a 2nd person shouldn't decide to kill you because she doesn't want you.


But if you don't have the capacity to make that decisionf ro yourself? That's why when you relatives get alzheimers they assign someone competent to make decisions for them.
Graham
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aha, found a loophole in mine. if you use a medical practice to purposely kill when the patient doesn't make the choice. this applying to only things able to reason

Veobahamut
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You guys know what r a p e is getting pregnant isn't always an option.

Graham
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agh another loophole!

if you use a medical practice to purposely kill when the patient doesn't make the choice. this applying to only things able to reason


if you use a medical practice to purposely kill when the patient doesn't make the choice. this applying to only things with potential to reason
Blu3sBr0s
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You guys know what r a p e is getting pregnant isn't always an option.


DAMN! Beat me to it...

I love that, not rape, but the argument xD It is one of the keys in the whole abortion debate.
Blu3sBr0s
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Wow, just goes to show you who hasn't been around long enough to know what gets censored...

Veobahamut
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It's not a great thing but it happens and I personally believe that the mother of the child that was you know what shouldn't have to raise a constant reminder of it especialy if it's not the childs fault.

Graham
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in a war do you want civilian casualties? no, but they happen and you have to live with that. same applies to r.ape

Blu3sBr0s
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in a war do you want civilian casualties? no, but they happen and you have to live with that. same applies to r.ape


I'm having trouble with that in my head. Plese fill out the form below:

War is to civilian casualties
as
__________ is to rape
Graham
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you cannot stop them from happening. you can't kill off something to get rid of memories

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