Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.
Who says it was nothing? It's simply put that we do not know what was before the Big Bang, except that everything as a result of it was in it before it, well, banged.
God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.
Through magic? How can he even fathom us then if we go through time? He could not have made things over 7 days if he were not related to time - sure, he made it, but as you said - he is outside of time. Logic is flawed, and it shows no evidence or proof to back it up.
For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
Same applies to God, sure you're defending it by saying:
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.
Again, flawed, he can not make something he is not a part of - and can you explain how he made it, anyway? "Magic" or "Gods power" cuts no evidence or proof out and is a thoroughly unreliable excuse.
Also "he always existed" holds a time reference - ALWAYS. It's contradictory.
If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.
Take the same with concepts - new concepts have been made, and the same happened with life. Scientific situations developed the first life in the form of microscopic organisms, and it adapted, through that, the forms of "spirits", "souls", and the like developed from human brains - but there is no logical reason for them to be.
Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!
Yeah because evolution can't develop something fantastic over millions of years. It's happening now, incase you didn't realize. Saying "God did it", is essentially THE most laziest explanation of things, ever. If you and others decided to actually look through the scientific path and develop your own hypothesis', religiously unrelated and unquestionably backed up, then you are highly contributing to Scientific research and furthermore you are discovering something for yourself. When you say you use logic and science? You're using philosophical debates and assumptions about God.
What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.
What about all the people dying of starvation, disease and others peoples deeds?
God's just having a coffee break, I guess.
Oh, and also people evolve differently - what do you think would've happened when there's already too much human population in this period of time - what if the monkeys now came with? Even worse.
What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
Some scientists say. I don't speak for all, or even for anyone else except me but you are speaking on behalf of every Scientist ever. There probably is scientists who say that, but there are others who look more at "how" rather than "when", do I know for sure? No, but I'm certain you don't either. It's part of Science's course (usually) to be wrong, but when you put it out as Scientists labelling it as the truth and then make this attempt to disprove it... hypocricy, considering you're speaking on behalf of religion.
After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
I'll love someone for who they are, not what they are to me.
Also, who says your religion is correct?
Also, who says he died for our sins? As far as I'm concerned God has done more wrong than right - mostly because anything that could possibly be called "right" is actually wrong for specific or indirect reasons.
If he even did it.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.
I'm on a different computer now, but I think some people may remember that little quote I kept giving. Thus far, this would be the fifth or sixth time I'd use it. One sec... I'll get it now:
Indeed, there are arguments that Christians do not follow that idealogy, but what about if God didn't follow previous Christians' idealogy? If he didn't, he didn't do anything to stop people being murdered in the name of him, he didn't bother aiding those resisting Christianity with undeniable proof. If you follow Christianity, then sorry, but you are siding with Gods contradictory and pretty merciless behaviour (or lack of behaviour).
There we go.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
So you don't see the promises or awesomesauce and threats of eternal pain at all an influential WEAPON?
I really don't have time to get into pointing each thing out right now but perhaps some one else would like that honor.
Certainly not done to your calibre, MageGray, but I think it meets a standard which is acceptable.
Abeogenesis
This Abiogenesis? I don't sin, so stop telling me I do.
That does annoy me so... dang much. In the end, I think I'll go to MageGrayWolf's profile for a nice quote.
Atheists are often charged with blasphemy, but it is a crime they cannot commit... When the Atheist examines, denounces, or satirises the gods, he is not dealing with persons but with ideas. He is incapable of insulting God, for he does not admit the existence of any such being... We attack not a person but a belief, not a being but an idea, not a fact but a fancy. " -George William Foote
To be quite fair, I do on occasion indirectly (or even directly if I feel stupid or entitled enough) insult those who follow. :/
Not saying it isn't justified, not saying it is - it's another matter entirely, the point is, I don't do sins because I don't believe in God, I do my best not to do bad deeds, specifically, so not even that is a proper argument.
and what created god? you can't just assume everything came from nothing I know.... but aren't you assuming that if you believe in a god?
With this law of thermodynamics - 100% energy cannot be gotten from another form of energy - does that not mean God has dimmed power? Even if he could, you know, interact with space, time and etc.
evolution is a long process, they could still be evolving from whatever they evolved from before being monkeys.
You can see
the differences quite easily over time. Oh - and the similiarities.
nobody is perfect.
Yeah, and saying that makes it
all better.At least make the dang attempt, ironically scientists learn more about the human brain and how we can be vulnerable,
for instance.Does religion further the stopping of flaw? No, instead it says "Do it and you can be forgiven!". You know, if you spend the time committing the crime and not asking for forgiveness, however, then you didn't refund your ticket to hell. Yeah - that's logical.
/end rant?
- H
