ForumsWEPR[necro] Why you don't believe in God?

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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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Malkoir
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That does not make any sense...

deni123
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ME problem?

qwerty1011
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He never was created, He always was


Then he would have been here for an infinite period of time before he made the world and therefore ended infinity when he made the world which is impossible. So something must have made him or else he does not exist.
Kasic
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Watching Nintendo's conference on IGN now. Cant wait to see Project Cafe.
Oh and SKYRIM GOTY HELL YEAH SKYRIM ROX


Uh..Spectre...I think you have the wrong thread here.

Also, Eaglepaw, stop spamming and stop posting a link to your profile every post...
AnaLoGMunKy
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no
you are atheist.never mind.
i dont care you are atheist.


Hold on, why did you ask then?

He never was created, He always was


In other words, you have no idea.
ComradeGamer
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I don't have the chance to sit through it right now but I will. But given some of the comments I have my doubts.


Just watch the whole debate if you have the time later on you're spare time, but I wouldn't really take comments seriously on youtube to be honest, sometimes people there just don't really know what they are talking about until they actually go through the entire debate and take notes in the process to learn more from different perspectives.
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As you all know zep started this thread so instead of wasting evryones time I will tell you where he got his information:A preacher called Kent Hovind. Look him up on google or youtube and watch all his seminars.(P.S they are fairly long so make sure you have the time.)

Avorne
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Uuurgh, Kent Hovind is a fundamentalist idiot with no intelligence, the things he preaches are completely misguided and born of ignorance. Here's a website that looks more closely at Kent and the things he says.

Here are the RationalWiki responses to the claims that he makes in his seminars:
The Age of the Earth - claims and responses
The Garden of Eden - claims and responses
Dinosaurs and the Bible - claims and responses
Lies in the Textbooks - claims and responses
The Dangers of Evolution - claims and responses
The Hovind Theory - claims and responses

More about Kent on RationalWiki

FSTDT.com has an extensive set of quotes that are attributed to Kent and his son Eric (with sources) and I'll leave you with one of them:

If evolution is true, you could not know that it's true because your brain is nothing but chemicals. Think about that.
MageGrayWolf
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He never was created, He always was


If we argue that complex things require a creator then God as something that is complex would require a creator. If not then God is so simplistic that we can not even call it God. If we can have something that is complex without a creator then we don't need to include God into the equation.
partydevil
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@ highfire

this abiogenesis?


thats abiogenesis yes. but the Miller-Urey Experiment is prety old. they are a bit furter then that.
dumbbutdeadly2189
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so this is more of an ignorant "bystander" trying to convert all these people to a religion that is so desperate for convert's that they go door to door getting their noses smashed by the slamming halt in their "gentle discussion on how you die if you don't believe." I can respect the faith and the persistence but don't call me stupid because I don't believe what you say I should. Me personally believe G-d is the will inside you to make your own beliefs or join with someone else's. The fact that you go on Armor Games and tell people what do believe is despicable. I don't believe in G-D because if there was one he'd tell you people to shut it because he chose the Jews because THEY WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT. You add Jesus and !BAM! New testament thats my big bang theory because thats all it is, A theory.

AMEN

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In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.


(using first quoted section of op)
1. What you said contradicts itself. You can't use science to prove your point because science disproves religion all the time.

(second quoted section of op)
2.You know that there are multiple theories for how the universe was made? Another theory is that the universe may have been a "bubble" inside a larger one. Our "bubble" burst, and with the help of the resulting release of energy, created our universe.

3. I completely agree with dumbbutdeadly2189. This forum was not made to recruit people into your belief system. It was made to have intelligent conversation and debates.
killkid
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first off I like your argument, but your picture destroyed it. there's still bone, meaning it's no fossilized and the boot is still in stack.....with color. If you know so much about a fossil you should know that all a fossil is, is the hard parts of the body breaking down, then filling with another hard substance.

second off matter is not made nor lost. so your fancy thermodynamics didn't really prove **** for you. I learned that **** in chemistry honors.

dumbbutdeadly2189
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The great thing about this thread is that I am going into 10th grade and i could run circles around your theories.

There is not one "scientific fact" here that can't be proven wrong which makes it (not) scientific fact.

MageGrayWolf
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The great thing about this thread is that I am going into 10th grade and i could run circles around your theories.


Go for it.

There is not one "scientific fact" here that can't be proven wrong which makes it (not) scientific fact.


A scientific fact doesn't mean absolute certainty, it just means "confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent."
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