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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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German3945
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the big bang happened when all the universes were so compact in an area that their energy could not be held, and then the "bang" of the energy build up in the relatively small space caused the creation of our universe.

it has been said, that our universes are currently expanding.

also, they have said that a second big bang could occur (definitely not while the human race is still on the face of the earth) if the universes stop expanding and start compacting again. however, if the universes keep expanding, something else is gonna happen, i forget what it was though, learned this a bit ago.

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But, the Big Bang was influenced, it was caused by something else.


Stating something doesn't make it correct. Or viable. Back up the statement.
ellame
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So, most people would try to think of some overly complicated argument found in college physics book, but I'm going 7th grade science: Matter - anything that takes up space.

So, there are a lot of different versions of the Big Bang theory. A lot. People say that it was an atom that imploded, people say that two atoms collided with such force that they exploded into different parts, that continued to impact and explode. But no matter what version you see, it started with an atom. It started with matter.

Taking that basic definition of matter, anything that takes up space, you are implying that there was space to take up before the Big Bang. Thus, the Big Bang did not create time and space, merely filled it with our universe.

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Ellame, as much as I appreciate you citing something from the grade I'm in, I gotta say that your support doesn't fly.

The Big Bang was caused by the decompression of all of the matter in the Universe. Matter cannot be created or destroyed within time, so all the matter in the universe was in the Primeval Atom (an atom by nickname only) already, and it decompressed and we got the mass in the Universe today.

The matter in the Universe would not need an origin - our concepts of time(origin, end, causation, etc.) would not apply due to the fact that rime and space are linked and all time would be compressed inside that little singularity. Therefore, it could've popped into existence and decompressed, or just always been there. There was no time, so it couldn't have a beginning because beginnings didn't exist.

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But, the Big Bang was influenced, it was caused by something else. Thus existence was before the Big Bang. It is my belief that the Big Bang created only our universe, that there was existence before it.


one model deals in M-thoery. This taken from wikipedia Cyclic Universe Theory

In this cyclic model, two parallel orbifold planes or M-branes collide periodically in a higher dimensional space. The visible four-dimensional universe lies on one of these branes. The collisions correspond to a reversal from contraction to expansion, or a big crunch followed immediately by a big bang. The matter and radiation we see today were generated during the most recent collision in a pattern dictated by quantum fluctuations created before the branes. Eventually, the universe reached the state we observe today, before beginning to contract again many billions of years in the future. Dark energy corresponds to a force between the branes, and serves the crucial role of solving the monopole, horizon, and flatness problems. Moreover the cycles can continue indefinitely into the past and the future, and the solution is an attractor, so it can provide a complete history of the universe.
German3945
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ellame: spot on, simplified.

thisisnotanalt
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Correction to my post:

I meant that the version of the theory thought to be most credible was the one I talked about. Whoops.

ellame
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Very well stated!

I will admit, the concepts have gone beyond my understanding of the subject, so I will not persist.

I must say, I think I enjoy this more than most of the games on this site.

German3945
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hahaha thats true.

i was impressed by the Castle Playerpack though, i thought it would suck but it was like "oh hey the game doesnt look like an HTML script anymore!". nice work indeed.

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I'm somewhat making the most of what I know right now, because I'm only 12 and haven't had a high school education due to it. I've done hours of research on the subject though, so I guess I've amassed a good deal of knowledge.

Thanks

AG is all about the forums. Really, this is one of the most intelligent boards on the internet.

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I love the player pack. Beat all the castles in one shot

German3945
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that's true actually, i see less incompetence here than in most forums.

i still see quite a bit of incompetence.

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but much less! so hip hip horfuckingray.

ellame
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Trust me, man, you aren't going to talk about this in High School. Been there, done that, and what little I do know is all from independent study, like yourself. If you're only twelve, and making arguments like that, I'm afraid nothing relating to school is going to challenge you until you hit college.

thisisnotanalt
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Indeed.

A lot of the religious debaters on this site are surprisingly intelligent too, not just the collegiate atheists.

This place is really ideal for debating. I should know . . . I've given over 2,000 posts to just this section.

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Trust me, man, you aren't going to talk about this in High School. Been there, done that, and what little I do know is all from independent study, like yourself. If you're only twelve, and making arguments like that, I'm afraid nothing relating to school is going to challenge you until you hit college.


I'm experiencing Easy Schoolwork syndrome right now. D:

A lot of the research I've done was actually prompted from debating in this section. It's easy to tell how much my knowledge has increased, even since my first post in this section about 8 months ago. I've been a major regular since.

Also, sorry for any grammar errors I make . . . I'm one of the biggest GNs on the forum, but I'm really tired and sick atm. >.<
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