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patriotboy1
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(I don't think this topic was made yet).

I made this topic because people in the "Hitler vs Lenin" topic said they would have preferred this (Hitler vs Stalin).

So post what you think... I think Hitler was the better and smarter man.

http://www.noshame.org/scripts/yancey050429.htm

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=77830

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thingthingjack
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both were evil, simple as that

GoblinD
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Indeed, one was a pyschotic bigot, the other was just a tyrant. I may be wrong but didn't the Soviets have their own equivalent to the concentration camp?

I some family members in those places. They were called Gollags, they were horrible and all but not close to the Nazi death camps or even the Nazi "work camps".
Jefferysinspiration
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I some family members in those places. They were called Gollags, they were horrible and all but not close to the Nazi death camps or even the Nazi "work camps".


Were they just put to work or was there a lot of deaths in them ?
Sonatavarius
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As per usual... here I am with another funny image that is halfway related to the thread. I found it on the interwebz, and I'm not quite sure who the original creator is... actually I don't know who did it at all.
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee368/Sonatavarius/1305357975745.jpg

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Funny picture
Even though Britain pretty much got buttwhooped for quite a while.

Were they just put to work or was there a lot of deaths in them ?


They were forced labor camp systems, filled with just about anyone the government hated, starting from low-status criminals up to political prisoners/intellectuals.
The USSR had this thing called a "Troika" which would be three legislative officials who would pretty much bypass a law to put three people into extrajudicial punishment, and quickly send them to the Gulags/execution.

The Gulags were not a place of death, just a bunch of work. It's just that they were filled with POWs, revolutionaries, etc. These people said 'Lets GTFO!' -- and then they were shot. The living conditions weren't too hot, either.
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Nazi death camps were little different from death camps. People often didn't even do anything productive, just carry rocks back and forth until they collapse and die. In gollags there are similar stories about deaths and sometimes officers just shot people for no reason but still there was a world of difference. People actually returned from Gollags.

Jefferysinspiration
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Nazi death camps were little different from death camps


What do you mean?

Surely the Nazis routine was worse than the USSR - I mean they were sneaky about it sure, but they gassed people by the millions.
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[quote]Hitler and Stalin said the same thing about the Jews.

Not Stalin.[/quote]

Yes, Stalin too. He disliked the Jews. He denounced antisemetic views publicly before and throughout WWII, but privately he disliked them and would have them killed on occasion. Not nearly as much as Hitler, but still antisemetic.

From the above article: Stalin in 1946 reportedly said privately that "every Jew is a potential spy."

From the below article: [In 1952] The sentence stated that the defendants would receive âthe severest measure of punishment for the crimes committed by them jointly: execution by firing squad, with all of their property to be confiscated.â
Later: On November 22, 1955, the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of the USSR determined that there was âno substance to the chargesâ against the defendants and closed the case.
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People often didn't even do anything productive, just carry rocks back and forth until they collapse and die.


The Gulags weren't very productive, either. Yet there were more historical examples of people freeing themselves from the Gulags than there are from Nazi camps.

Surely the Nazis routine was worse than the USSR - I mean they were sneaky about it sure, but they gassed people by the millions.


That's what he said, in his last sentence.
Yet, I feel that overall, the USSR, due to its length, was much worse of a regime. They literally toyed with their people, causing population transfers of 4-10 million people, with many of them dying. I mean, the lowest number I've yet to find of the people Stalin committed to death by his own hand was 500,000.

Yes, Stalin too. He disliked the Jews.


He's right. Stalin wasn't too much of a fan, either. I think it is why the USSR ever signed a NAP [the Molotov Pact] with Germany to begin with -- since most of the USSR's allies in Western Europe weren't the most trustworthy and Stalin was able to find a common 'enemy' with Hitler.
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Yes, Stalin too

Its true Stalin is known for taking actions against Jews but it was not for antisemitic reasons. Like you said, he thought every Jew as a Spy. This is the extreme way to look at it, in reality he probably thought Jews have a higher chance in being spies then others and therefore are a problem. So like the Stalin he is, he takes care of those problems in his known way.
However, he did try to make a Jewish homeland in Central Asia, made its official language Yidish and gave it various autonomies. He then made large propaganda campaigns to move Jewish people in and sometimes also forced them in. In the end those who went there were saved from the Germans who advanced into Eastern Europe.
Later he was a great fan of Zionism and it was because of him that Czechoslovakia was able to trade weapons into Israel during the war of independence.
In the end, during Stalin's rule many Jews got to senior places in the USSR.
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He tried to make that bit of land for them as a counter to Isreal. He was quite upset that Isreal was friends with the US. He wanted to keep the Jews under his control. Not kill them all like Hitler did, just keep them where he could still influence them.

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He wanted to keep the Jews under his control. Not kill them all like Hitler did, just keep them where he could still influence them.


Hitler went a lot further with his anti-semitism which is why he's more hated than Stalin.

mean, the lowest number I've yet to find of the people Stalin committed to death by his own hand was 500,000.


Do you mean sentenced, or actually killed them?
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Like you said, he thought every Jew as a Spy

Most Paranoid Man In History -- Stalin

He tried to make that bit of land for them as a counter to Isreal.


The 'Jewish Autonomous Oblast' was this scattered tract of dirt in the far East more remote and isolated than all northern corners of Canada.
When it was clear none of them wanted to go there, he either pushed them there or said they were evil traitors out to get him.
In the end, during Stalin's rule many Jews got to senior places in the USSR.

Just the ones he liked


So after all of this, I'm going to pick Stalin.
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Do you mean sentenced, or actually killed them?


Sentenced. He was no warrior
I do think he'd be the perfect actor for those insane political war movies.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_kLV0GvrLdJ4/TNgxws3Q9eI/AAAAAAAAAwE/7FP9l9QK2Ag/s400/Stalin.jpg
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[quote]the lowest number I've yet to find of the people Stalin committed to death by his own hand was 500,000.
Do you mean sentenced, or actually killed them?[/quote]

He personally signed the orders for them to die. Sentenced. He didn't tell them "come into my office" and pull out his rifle.
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