No it cant. 80 million would be more then half the Soviet Union's population. I hope you can see how that makes no logical sense right?
you have to keep in mind that the deaths include German casualties, as well as Red Army casualties inflicted by the Germans (which is kind of absurd), so I would say it ranges from 10 million to 30 million.
Hitler grabbed Germany in the deep shit the '29 american economical crisis threw it and pulled it out. Before him you could go grocery shopping with a million of Marks, after him Germany was again an economical powerhouse. Try to get informed before spawning ignorance.
How did 5 million go to 10 million to 20 million to 40 million to 60 million and now to 80 o.O
Maybe they went from wrong to right, like how people in Germany thought Hitler was good but then realized he was bad. I think the number was 60 million, and no noone start dissagreeing with me, there are multiple sites with many different opions. The truth is no one knows for sure.
I will not say who I think is worse or better because it'll lead to arguements.
I think Stalin=worse /and/or equal to in evil than Hitler, but in economy, Hitler wins. I read a statistic somewhere about how, like, the 2-10% (I don;t know exact #, was around there)of privately owned farmed (NOT GOVERNMENT OWNED) produced somewhere from 20-40 percent of the total Russian food market. I not sure if source is credible though, think it is. Morally, I don't think some of the things that happened between 1917 and 19maybe-67 should EVER be talked about. Didn't many people starve to death around 1920's-30's? Didn't Stalin have mass decimations in his military (and, if massive deaths in military, then what about general populace, who usually get the majority of everything that happens) Ah, nevermind, half this stuff I read is from PIG guides I haven't read for a year or 3.
It's hard to determine the exact number that Stalin ordered killed. You have to take into account the expected population vs. real population. WWII also left 27 million Russians dead and probably stopped many people from having babies.
The generally accepted number is 20 million for Stalin. The credible sources go as low as 10 million and as high as 35 million. Obviously there are extremist pro-Stalin sources that say 1 million (and were all justified) and other extremist (anti-Stalin) sources that say 80 million. I tend to use 20 million.
The generally accepted number is 20 million for Stalin. The credible sources go as low as 10 million and as high as 35 million. Obviously there are extremist pro-Stalin sources that say 1 million (and were all justified) and other extremist (anti-Stalin) sources that say 80 million. I tend to use 20 million.
According to Soviet archives its around 3-5 million.
The problem I have with the figure 20 million is that its includes the Ukrainian famine as a deliberate act by Stalin. The methods also used are ridiculous. They merely just subtract the real population from the expected population.
A Russian historian used this same method for calculating the number of death during the Great Depression in the US. His figure was 8 million.
I try not to rely on Soviet statistics. Their propaganda departments made so many statistics up, and a lot of the rest of the infrastructure was pretty inefficient. If anything if they acknowledged any deaths at the time to famine, they would be fairly low numbers. They tended to exaggerate production numbers and publish them for the public, or just erase or alter other documents to make the nation seem greater than it was.
But I'd have to say Stalin was far worse. Russia had one of the greater populations of the time, so famine would affect more citizens. I think another thing to consider is how the majority of deaths attributed to Stalin, at least the famine related ones are mostly from gross incompitance, and Hitler did his killings systematically. I'm not sure which way is worse.
