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Forums → WEPR → Communism/Socialism Thread
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Since you all want to talk about/shoot down communism, try and keep it all in one thread.
This one.
Having umpteen threads about the same basic idea is pointless/getting fairly annoying.
Thus, everyone shall be equal.
Have fun.
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Nope liberty for EVERYONE, sure 1% may own most businesses but it completely removes the government from the equation. MY tax dollars can be used for me to start my own business instead of helping the idiotic CEO's of GM.
He who controls the economy controls the people. There is no liberty for the poor. They cannot buy votes, therefore they cannot get what they want. Only what corporations say they want. I will give capitalism this: In the beginning capitalism is truely liberty, after a few decades it is Oligarchy.
He who controls the economy controls the people. There is no liberty for the poor. They cannot buy votes, therefore they cannot get what they want. Only what corporations say they want.
The poor's liberty comes in the form of lower taxes, and most of that tax money being redirected into programs that help them. They government has no right to spend my money on things I don't approve of, thus the failure of a republic.
The poor's liberty comes in the form of lower taxes, and most of that tax money being redirected into programs that help them. They government has no right to spend my money on things I don't approve of, thus the failure of a republic.
How could they even pay taxes if there is no government? Where are their taxes going? Who is taxing them? You make no sense.
How could they even pay taxes if there is no government? Where are their taxes going? Who is taxing them? You make no sense.
Why is there no government? Oh, I meant no government involvement in the economic sense. I'm not an anarchist :P
Why is there no government? Oh, I meant no government involvement in the economic sense. I'm not an anarchist :P
If there is no government in the economy, meaning no public schools or national police stations or anything, you wouldn't be taxed...
We came out of the depression after WW2, after FDR died, because we drastically decreased spending. I notice you ignored the point about big government taking away liberty, as FDR did to the Japanese.
I perfectly understand socialism, but you don't appear to understand politics. You can pretend your elected officials will do whatever you want them too but the bottom line is, they can do whatever the hell they want, and you can't stop them. All you can do is pray they are pure and honest and just.
Working hard enough not to get fired is sure as hell not working hard. All they have to do is produce just a little but, whereas in Capitalism, you could fire him for someone with work ethic. That extra boost is what keeps the economy going.
Working hard enough not to get fired is sure as hell not working hard. All they have to do is produce just a little but, whereas in Capitalism, you could fire him for someone with work ethic. That extra boost is what keeps the economy going.
No, if they aren't working hard, they get fired. Who wants to live off of the very basics? You can't buy new cloths, you can't take anyone out on a date, all you have is just enough to live. Under capitalism, you'd starve to death and lose limbs working in some factory 16 hours a day.
No, they don't. Unions won't let you fire people unless they are doing something illegal. I agree with people standing up to their bosses, and this awareness will allow companies who treat workers well to prosper, and the others to fail.
No, I'm sorry, but capitalism would not cause the world to explode. XD.
Also, you still have not addressed the whole FDR/Japanese issue.
No, they don't. Unions won't let you fire people unless they are doing something illegal. I agree with people standing up to their bosses, and this awareness will allow companies who treat workers well to prosper, and the others to fail
That is not how it works. The only reason why there are no ugly factory conditions in America is because those terrible conditions have been outsourced to places like China. Workers Unions are broken down without government regulations, millions of people lose their jobs too easily without government regulations...you can't stop CEOs from doing what's best for themselves.
If the group sees one coworker slacking off, you think they are all going to award him evenly? No, they will try to get him fired or share less of the profits with him/her. That loser will get enough to live off of, but nothing more. The people who work harder and share their work with others will get more of the shared money.
You think it's purely equality? Communism is purely equality. Socialism is about what is equitable sharing of the wealth.
Also, you still have not addressed the whole FDR/Japanese issue.
Because that is not about economics at all and that's what happens everytime the United States is in a war...even now with Islamic people.
You CAN stop the CEO is the government does not reward him and keep him afloat. I don't think that looking out for yourself is a bad thing.
Also, assuming that the other coworkers don't just follow the example of the man and don't work, (they would) then they are burdened with his dead weight. This means they would have to get more productivity out of their workforce, which puts more strain on the workers, which puts more demand on government utilities like health care, which leads to rationing, which leads to people who aren't getting any government help at all. Socialism fails at the task it sets out to do.
Also, these useless wars only seem to happen under big govt enthusiasts like Wilson or Bush.
Also, these useless wars only seem to happen under big govt enthusiasts like Wilson or Bush.
Did you know that Bush was a huge supporter of capitalism, got millions of dollars from corporations, and deregulated endlessly? Yeah, Bush was such a socialist...
Bush was NOT a socialist. He just made some mistakes during his presidency.
He was a big government guy, and economically liberal.
SOME MISTAKES???
Bush is certainly NOT a supporter of capitalism. He is a supporter of Corporatism, as is Obama. He supported the bailout. Doesn't sound capitalist to me.
Bush is certainly NOT a supporter of capitalism. He is a supporter of Corporatism, as is Obama. He supported the bailout. Doesn't sound capitalist to me.
Alright, that's it, you have lost the debate. Bush was the biggest capitalist in the last nine years. You do not understand much about the United States government and you need to actually watch the News. Please, I am not insulting you, but you're debating is flawed and full of holes.
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