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balerion07
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Anyone who has seen the movie Swing Vote knows what Insourcing is. It is the process by which illegals come into our country and take our jobs. What we need to do is defend our border, which of course is the reason that any military exists. We also need to expel those here illegally and punish those that knowingly employ them. However many people say that they have already made a new life here and it would be wrong to take it away from them even if they violated our borders to get here. I think they should all be expelled immediately and that our army should do its true job and gaurd our borders. A petty border patrol of volunteers isn't helping out much as you can tell. The reason that they are here in the first place is that it is convient to overlook it while the economy is booming and they actually help increase profits due to the nature of exploitation. Then when things get bad people want to expel them. This is hardly the first time this has happened with immigrants of either status.

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NoNameC68
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Balerion, you may be an American, but you should probably leave! Your great great great grandfather must have come here from England or France. Perhaps he was Irish or Polish. Oh, might you be Chinese or Japanese? GET OUT!

Of course, you are an American; a title granted to you just for being born on American soil. So maybe... you don't have to leave.

When we deport these illegal immigrants, what will we do with their American children? They were born on American soil. We can always deport their children, but deporting American children is a crime! We can, however, let them stay. We can let them stay because they were born on American soil.

Does the title of being legal really change anything in personality? If these illegal immigrants took the time to become legal citizens, does that change how they act? Yes, they may be a little bit more proud and feel more accomplished, but their personality remains the same. It's not like they just became communist, which does change a person's behavior to a completely loyal stat citizen, my dear comrade.(sarcasm)

No, American or not, they work so they can have a better life. They work so they may support their families.

Border patrol is a joke. There are two ways to stop this problem.

1. All the American people can actually apply to the same jobs that the immigrants are working for. Immigrants often do the work that Americans don't want to. This isn't the same as stealing jobs. This is them taking oppertunity over what Americans are too proud to do.

2. You can force employers to pay these immigrants more money. What? Then you can't blame them for taking people's jobs because they accept less pay. Give them benefits as well. Then, no one can say "Them there Americans lost their jobs to the Mexicans because they work for less."

Yeah, who would want to pay illegal immigrants more money?! I know that would make people unhappy as well. In fact, why don't we offer citizenship to these illegal immigrants?

You might be American on paper, but you can't get any more American than those chasing the American Dream the way your ancestors chased the dream. They did not inherit their money from their parrents. They did not get a home to raise them untill they were 18. They are immigrants who are working hard for a living to support themselves and their families.

balerion07
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You forget that their children had DUAL citizenship. They are not solely American. Until they are the age when they must chose their nationality they belong to 2 nations.

NoNameC68
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You forget that their children had DUAL citizenship. They are not solely American. Until they are the age when they must chose their nationality they belong to 2 nations.


I know this might sound immature, but woop de doo. What is the difference between an American citizen and an illegal immigrant? Two brothers who are twins go to America, one applies to be a citizen, the other one had the flu and never got around to it. What would be the difference between the two?
balerion07
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Just 1. Deportation.

NoNameC68
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Just 1. Deportation.


But... that doesn't explain why they should be deported.
balerion07
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It is the law. Do you want terrorists to just be able to walk across our borders? You don't hear about it but they do, and it needs to be stopped.

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The Illegals do need to be deported. They are one of the main factors of Americas bad reputation, and bad economy. I mean why pay extra for a person who came here illegally, doesn't care about how hard were trying to help them, and then has babies so they can later join gangs. 70% of all California gangs are Mexican. 90% of New York City is controlled by Russian mob, and 70% of them are illegal (of course its impossible to get rid of them, due to the you'll be killed in your sleep)

NoNameC68
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It is the law. Do you want terrorists to just be able to walk across our borders? You don't hear about it but they do, and it needs to be stopped.


But they aren't terrorists if they become a citizen? Wait, are all immigrants WORKING under the American system secretly TRYING TO KILL US ALL BY STRAPPING BOMBS UPON THE BACKS OF OUR BABIES THAT WE SO DEARLY LOVE... unless they are illegal; in which case we don't want them to be harmed because we want to send them to China to work in the sweatshops that provide us with all of our clothing and named brand Nike shoes?! It is only common knowledge that people with greencards can't perform acts of terrorism.

The terrorist thing is just a scare tactic. Out of every billion illegal immigrants, one might have thoughts of blowing up a building... I guess? I don't know.

Other than terrorism being completely unrelated to your opening arguement AND being highly unlikely, you still didn't explain the difference between an American citizen and an illegal immigrant. Remember, they are twins. What is the difference?
NoNameC68
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The Illegals do need to be deported. They are one of the main factors of Americas bad reputation, and bad economy. I mean why pay extra for a person who came here illegally, doesn't care about how hard were trying to help them, and then has babies so they can later join gangs. 70% of all California gangs are Mexican. 90% of New York City is controlled by Russian mob, and 70% of them are illegal (of course its impossible to get rid of them, due to the you'll be killed in your sleep)


Though the gangs are mostly illegal immigrants, what percentage of illegal immigrants are in a gang? I honestly don't know, but I'm sure the number is quite small. I dissagree with them being a factor for America's bad rep and economy, because those aren't the reasons for our bad rep and economy.

All that aside, gangs are formed due to territory wars or underground operations. One is caused due to racism, the other is caused due to profit. Gangs are a different story though.

Most immigrants aren't bad people.
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The majority of the immigrant become criminals because they can't find a good job or no job at all and when they find one they aren't paid well and they are not treated well. So many say why should I work if I can earn more by being a gangster.
Also they become gangs members because they think that when they belong in a gang they are safe from the police officers who often abuse their powers and from the persons who treat them badly.
The worst solutions saying that illegal immigrants should be deported, because it's not an effective solution, cause if somebody wants to go somewhere he will manage to go there and if they have to hide, not go to school or doctors to remain in that country they will do it.

They are desperate persons, so they are ready to do what it takes to live the American Dream.

NoNameC68
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The majority of the immigrant become criminals


Other than the fact that illegal immigrants are criminals for being illegal, most of them don't really do anything bad. Most of them aren't criminals (other than the fact they are illegal, as previously mentioned).
goumas13
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The majority of the immigrants become criminals

mea culpa.
I meant: The majority of the immigrants who become criminals.
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I would like you all to try and work 16 hours a day, get paid about $2 for your work, survive on that $2 a day, and be told by US officials that you need $200 to apply for citizenship. How many poor Mexicans can actually afford the application fee? Zilch. These people have no chance at a better life, except to illegally enter the country. If you were in a desperate situation, you would do anything to help your family, even if it meant breaking immigration laws.

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I agree that illegal immigrants are a problem but only in the sense that they're illegal. Many deserve citizenship just can't afford it or have been living here illegally and don't want to go home to apply. We need a better immigration system for two reasons. It will help people trying to get a better life and have them pay the money our country deserves. It's win, win.

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The immigration system is fine, it's the amount of people wanting to immigrate that are the problem. Do you know how many people a year apply to immigrate to the U.S? Illegal immigrants are not gennerally criminals as well because that draws attention to them and then they get kicked out of the country. Most of them just look for a job and try to have a better life than they previously had.

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