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Owen135731
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If God made everything, then who (or what) made god?

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Alas. The time has come for me to say something that i have been waiting to say for a long time. The sad part is that i can't cuss. I'll censor it then. Here it goes.

HUMANS CAN'T ****ING UNDERTAND TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That felt good. Not many understand this, but what it means is that if God does exist (which i do believe) then he's lived for eternity, which is not a measure of time, but something else that humans can't or ever will (until they go to heaven, if there is one) know. The same goes with any measurement of "time". God is also not alive you have to understand, just a being that has never lived (unless you are non-denominational Christian and believe that Jesus is/ son of God) but is full of ever lasting energy. This is confusing most people right now, but oh well. Since none of you understand, why do i bother? Anyways, people believe what they want to right? There is pretty much no way to stop any one. God has always been.

But for a round-up, let me say this. I am a non-denominational Christian, but I know that there's always a chance that God, or Heaven, or anything like that could not exist. Most Christians are not open to that idea but i am. I still believe that God is real, though.

deserteagle
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Nurvana... for being a troll and a failure

I give you

http://http://www.golivewire.com/forums/img.cgi?i=32152

Hell! This entire thread is deserves a Jesus facepalm!

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Why would it be low? Earth was very volcanically active back in the day. The Pacific Ocean *maybe even the Atlantic, gotta check the ocean floor map* is riddled with volcanic hot spots, both extinct and active. Go back a few hundred million years, and you'll find that the Ocean was very geothermal...


That's true, but is it really THAT likely for ALL the volcanoes to produce carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and all the many other necessary elements for life? While some of the materials are already there in a different form (water = H20) I doubt that it would just randomly start breaking the bonds to produce the raw element needed.
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For not being able to post a picture, I give you -

JK lol, but that's a fail.

There you go again deserteagle, trying to divert attention away from yourself. That's the real facepalm, you changing the subject!

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That's true, but is it really THAT likely for ALL the volcanoes to produce carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and all the many other necessary elements for life? While some of the materials are already there in a different form (water = H20) I doubt that it would just randomly start breaking the bonds to produce the raw element needed.


The Mantle does contain a lot elements and metals. Because the mantle has extreme heat and energy, it could break down some heavy metals to provide the elements needed. Salt breaks down at around 6000 C I think. The Mantle was probably hotter at the time, so it could break tight ionic or covalent bonds. The elements break down and are vented.
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It cute Nurvana how your trolling and not doing any thing positive for discussion.

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The Mantle does contain a lot elements and metals. Because the mantle has extreme heat and energy, it could break down some heavy metals to provide the elements needed. Salt breaks down at around 6000 C I think. The Mantle was probably hotter at the time, so it could break tight ionic or covalent bonds. The elements break down and are vented.


For that to work, the metals would have to be base metals and in pure ore form, so that they have more elements such as oxygen and stuff. Salt is made of sodium chloride, so for that to produce elements it would need to be really lucky during the nuclear fission, as in when it gets to the right elements, it stops going through nuclear fission. So just a high amount of chance is needed just to produce a few of the elements, gathering them all in the same place at the same times with the conditions for them to bond is even lower of a chance.
deserteagle
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Salt is made of sodium chloride, so for that to produce elements it would need to be really lucky during the nuclear fission, as in when it gets to the right elements, it stops going through nuclear fission. So just a high amount of chance is needed just to produce a few of the elements, gathering them all in the same place at the same times with the conditions for them to bond is even lower of a chance.

Huh?
Nuclear Fission is when we are dealing with radioactive elements like Plutonium or Uranium. Radioactive decay with alpha and beta particles is rather irrelevant in this topic...
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Huh?
Nuclear Fission is when we are dealing with radioactive elements like Plutonium or Uranium. Radioactive decay with alpha and beta particles is rather irrelevant in this topic...


I thought nuclear fission was just when an atom or whatever of an element got split and formed 2 different elements? I'll admit, I don't remember it exactly from my Physical Science class a few years back, but I know that was the basic principle. Does it really only happen with radioactive elements? Well either way, if salt and other metals down in the ocean can't be split to form different elements, then there is evening less of a chance of having all the right components in the same place at the right time.
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oh wait never mind. I get what you are trying to say say.

The mantle isn't entire made up of radioactive elements. An usually, Uranium or other radioactive elements, decay into lead or bismuth. Plus, The half life never entirely removes the radioactivity. Beta and Alpha particles would probably kill the first life forms off too.

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oh wait never mind. I get what you are trying to say say.


Do you know what it's called when an atom of an element splits to form two different elements then? I seem to have forgotten and that's what I'm trying to convey here, I think...That or the bonds between the different metals break to form different elements.

The mantle isn't entire made up of radioactive elements. An usually, Uranium or other radioactive elements, decay into lead or bismuth. Plus, The half life never entirely removes the radioactivity. Beta and Alpha particles would probably kill the first life forms off too.


Sounds pretty axiomatic if you ask me.
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It cute Nurvana how your trolling and not doing any thing positive for discussion.


Yes, because facepalms are positive for the discussion.
deserteagle
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Do you know what it's called when an atom of an element splits to form two different elements then? I seem to have forgotten and that's what I'm trying to convey here, I think...That or the bonds between the different metals break to form different elements.


I'm taking AP chem right now. I think the word you are looking for is radioactive decay. That's when the radioactive element spews enough particles for it to "decay". When half of the radio active element decays; the time it took to lose that much mass is called its half life.
Think of it like this
You can divide any number, but lets go with 100.
100/2= 50 right? another half-life goes by and 50/2= 25

So after two half-lives, the substance has 25% remaining radioactive element in it still. You can do this an infinite amount of times... but the radioactive element never decays completely.

Radioactive elements usually decay to lead or a heavy element.

/chem rant
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Thanks for asking the age old question.

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