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Owen135731
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If God made everything, then who (or what) made god?

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deserteagle
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I have a B in the class, so I don't understand it entirely, but I hope I could answer your question.

Yes, because facepalms are positive for the discussion.


They are useful for dealing with trolls like you. If you don't start adding something good to the conversation... I might have to flag you for spamming.
Owen135731
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No, but I've noticed most atheists challenge it with a burning passion rather harshly, making it persecution.


I'll put it this way. If someone were to say to you that unicorns are real, how would you tell them they're not? That is how I see things.


And inb4 "why are they talking about nuclear fusion"?
Nurvana
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They are useful for dealing with trolls like you. If you don't start adding something good to the conversation... I might have to flag you for spamming.


This is a pointless conversation...

Go on then, say something contradictory to God having made everything.
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Can't all elements go through half life though? Carbon is said to have a half life of like....5000 some years, and apparently it is transferred into nitrogen.... I'm honestly confused as to where I was going with element break down. Guess time has made me forget many things. >.>

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I'll put it this way. If someone were to say to you that unicorns are real, how would you tell them they're not? That is how I see things.


I'd say there weren't a billion people who believed in them, and that a whole Bible-sized book wasn't written about them, and about how there is no background to belief in them.
deserteagle
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Go on then, say something contradictory to God having made everything.


God didn't make everything.. >_> Abiogenesis, Big Bang, Big Crunch, Evolution, .... want more?
Nurvana
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What caused those?

( gunna eat, won't respond immediately.)

rafterman
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Do you have actual numbers supporting the "very unlikely" chance of God (e.g. 1:10, 1:20, etc)? While it isn't wrong, per se, you also can't bring up DISPROOF for the said claim either. Making it a stalemate and once again: it has boiled down to "we don't know."

To come up with the odds of something existing you need evidence supporting his existance, but there is no evidence so the odds can't be calculated.


OK, take for example a paternity court case where the mother is demanding money because she's accusing this guy that he's the father. She has no proof of it, but the people take a blood sample of the baby, and it has AB blood. The man has O blood type. Therefore, the man has been disproved to be the father, without any proof in the first place saying he was the father.

In that case they know were to look, and they did not find the right blood type to be the supposed fathers baby, the difference between that and disproving god is that there is nothing that we can look for that disproves god, you can disprove he is the faathers child by looking for O blood, if you find some other type of blood you automatically know his blood type is not O, now there is nothing like that with god, we know were to look for him(the universe) and we know what to look for(him) but we have not found him, so how are we supposed to disprove him? Can we find some 2000+ year old book that disagrees with the bible or what? It is impossible to prove a true negative.

So? God never says there were other gods before him, just that he is currently the only one true God.

It says he is the one and only true god, the bible never mentions hes the current one, just the only one.

So you hate theists?

I hate how they irrationally persue their flawed beliefs.

I'd say there weren't a billion people who believed in them, and that a whole Bible-sized book wasn't written about them, and about how there is no background to belief in them.


Buddhism has 1.5 billion, does that mean all their beliefs are fact?
deserteagle
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Can't all elements go through half life though? Carbon is said to have a half life of like....5000 some years, and apparently it is transferred into nitrogen.... I'm honestly confused as to where I was going with element break down. Guess time has made me forget many things. >.>


Are you thinking of radioactive Carbon 14? There isn't an abundance for of stuff. Also, Radioactive decay will always decay into the same element. Example: Uranium will always decay into lead. I think Berkelium will decay in to the element selenium or something.
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Why can't we all just get along? Seriously?

And, btw Nurvana, I saw this little nugget while skimming through the posts.

So are you saying that not killing people is bad?


I'm guessing all those infidels you guys killed in the Crusades didn't count? Just wondering.
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I'll put it this way. If someone were to say to you that unicorns are real, how would you tell them they're not? That is how I see things.

And inb4 "why are they talking about nuclear fusion"?


To try and get a good idea the chances of elements being in the right place at the right time for abiogenesis to happen. It's getting nowhere though. D:

I'd probably say something along the lines of "You can believe what you want, but we don't really have evidence proving or disproving unicorns. I, personally, don't believe in them."

In that case they know were to look, and they did not find the right blood type to be the supposed fathers baby, the difference between that and disproving god is that there is nothing that we can look for that disproves god, you can disprove he is the faathers child by looking for O blood, if you find some other type of blood you automatically know his blood type is not O, now there is nothing like that with god, we know were to look for him(the universe) and we know what to look for(him) but we have not found him, so how are we supposed to disprove him? Can we find some 2000+ year old book that disagrees with the bible or what? It is impossible to prove a true negative.


While we can't prove him, you can't disprove him, making this something like a stalemate. Also, if an all-power super being does exist, I'm pretty sure that he could transcend the 3 dimensions of the universe, thus not being in the universe (Personally, I believe this transcendence of the 3rd dimension is the location of heaven, which is probably why we'll never find it.)

It says he is the one and only true god, the bible never mentions hes the current one, just the only one.


Yeah, but by saying the only one, that implies that the only one RIGHT NOW. Which opens up the realm for wondering: will there be more gods in the future? Were there past gods?

I hate how they irrationally persue their flawed beliefs.


And I hate your rather close mindedness, refusing to even consider the possibility of a God because we don't have tangible proof. Though, I'm sure if we found the ark of the covenant (probably got broken, or turned to dust due to it's age or something, so I doubt we'll ever find) that would be proof enough.
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Are you thinking of radioactive Carbon 14? There isn't an abundance for of stuff. Also, Radioactive decay will always decay into the same element. Example: Uranium will always decay into lead. I think Berkelium will decay in to the element selenium or something.


Maybe. I overheard this during my biology class when the chemistry/physics teacher was talking and not really paying all that much attention. But I do know he mentioned Carbon. He also mentioned Carbon12 somewhere, but my memory isn't perfect. :/
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Why are you talking about Chemistry? Anyway I think that God didn't need to be made, he just WAS.

deserteagle
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What caused those?


Abiogenesis: Volcanic thermal vents spewed out elements critical to life. Those elements bonded and formed proteins. We know proteins make up cells. From there Cells evolved.

Evolution: Mutations caused by either environmental factors, or mutagens. Mutagens delete, add, or change the sequence of DNA. The effect is the cell creates new enzymes which do diffrent things.
The DNA is passed from organism to organism and soon, diversity appears and the it continues to this day. Humans are evolving still.

Big Bang/Big Crunch: Matter is condensed and reaches a certain energy level and explodes. Black holes *steal matter* and put it into another universe and soon the other universe under goes a big bang. Black holes suck up matter, and big bangs distribute the matter.

I gave you a very basic definition of each.
deserteagle
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Why are you talking about Chemistry?


We were discussing abiogensis and the chemistry behind it.

Anyway I think that God didn't need to be made, he just WAS.


According to you. everything has a beginning and end. Alpha and Omega.
So why isn't God a part of this?
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