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batistarocks6969
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well if any of u r familiar with the law of conservation and mass, then u know that it states that matter cannot be created from nothing, or completely destroyed. so evolutionists say this, then turn around and say the big bang created the universe as we know it. WTF!!?!?!?!the universe went from non existent to existent in a fraction of a nanosecond! and where did the bigbang come from? nothing? nope, because if the law of conservation and mass is true, then the bigbang isnt. simple...

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Mirage1
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I would say god created the earth in seven days.

Pixie214
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Yes, there is more iridium in meteorites than on earth, but that doesn't mean the earth had none before a meteorite hit it


Yes we had a bit of iridium but there is a red line of rock all round the Earth with very high levels of Iridium in. There is no reason for most of the earth's iridium to randomly migrate into a thin line of rock.The best explanation we have is that a meteorite rich in iridium impacted and ash etc. from the impact spread aroud the earth.

So...how do we still have plants?


Throughout the ages there have been many extinctions (KT being one of the most famous, the Permian being the biggest). However the mass extinction of plants rarely matches up with the mass extinction of animals. Plants are surprisingly hardy in such situations. Their seeds can survive large changes in temperature, lying dormant until a climate arrives that is more suitable. New shoots can grow from roots etc. Many varieties may have gone extinct many more may have come close but those that survived would have flourished when conditions beacme "normal" again.
fourtytwo
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However the mass extinction of plants rarely matches up with the mass extinction of animals.
OK, so how did the animals survive? I know some could have hibernated, but what about the rest?
Yes we had a bit of iridium but there is a red line of rock all round the Earth with very high levels of Iridium in.
Are you speaking of the layer between the earth's crust and the mantle?
There is no reason for most of the earth's iridium to randomly migrate into a thin line of rock.
Yes, there is. Iridium is a heavy substance. If you took a bunch of iridium and ground it into sand-sized things and mixed it with sand in a jar, it will slowly find it's way to the bottom if you give it time. I know that you knew that before I told you, but that's not all of it. If you take a large drop of...oil, for example...and dropped the oil from a high place onto a flat surface, at first, while it is in the air, it will all be in a clump. When it hits the flat surface, it spreads out. I have no idea why I'm explaining this...
The best explanation we have is that a meteorite rich in iridium impacted and ash etc. from the impact spread aroud the earth.
After reading what I typed above this, there is another explanation. Meteorites rich in iridium hit random places on earth and the remains just sat there and slowly made their way down...and then they spread once they couldn't go any farther. There is also the possibility that God just put the layer there.
Pixie214
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quote]Are you speaking of the layer between the earth's crust and the mantle? [/quote]

No it is a thin red layer of rock in the crust you can see it in many sedimentary rocks at the same level all over the place.

it will slowly find it's way to the bottom if you give it time.


If that was what happened then all substances would seperate out not just iridium


There is also the possibility that God just put the layer there.
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no comment lol.




http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Geophys/geopic/iridium.jpg
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OK let me scoot back to the topic without knowing any of the conversation:

Big Bang or God?
First arguement, and probably one that'll easily finish the God Theory, or else the second will is that how do you know god exists, what if you're living off false courage, what IS you're proof? Huh? I don't think there is none as far as I can tell.
My second arguement is that just because the bible says you're made by god, Why would you believe it? Seriously if someone walked up to you and said you were made by your mother the exact same way as you thought it with the bible - What would you think? You'd think they're a son of a, well I think you know the name, but unless you have plenty of self-control like me (Not going to brag) then you would just mentally rip them up, you need to think about comparisons, oh and a third arguement...
What is your logic? None?? Is that it? Doubt that's it, wait really?! Okay - Now seriously that's what I would think if I was talking to someone religous, because all they talk about in a debait like this is religion, the more you poke through their so called "logic" the more religious they get.... So really what would you think, you just need:

Proof + Logic
Proof
Logic
Comparison
Any other stupidness

These are from top to bottem first to last, so if you can combine the 1st with 4th you'll get yourself the ultimate reasoning machine, exept from idiots who are too stubborn close-minded and attached to believe it, you believe u should be able to change - Change what you are... Change you're thinking, use proof + logic, then just proof, then logic, and compare to what your ex-religion had....

I rest my case, unless someone brings up something that comes back to that then i'll be happy to test it.

And by the way - We are machines, so we're just a counciousness, an advanced form of AI if you wish, DNA = AI basically, if you make an android which is blank conciousness then it'll be able to learn and interact as a human being, plants and other species can do the same, but only if they all do the same things, I forgot or but they all must do 7 things.
Also, if you count the Earth along with this - It all flows to my direction, the Earth was made by asteroids etc. So the Big Bang did happen, the energy mass was so large inside itself that it blew spreading itself as "space" which is growing faster than the speed of light, where is it growing? No1 has an idea, and FYI if anyone wants to say that Evolution is wrong JUST BECAUSE of that, then if you can't reach Heaven or Hell within Space then where is it? The Clouds? Na, because we do flights there everyday, so answer that before you tackle this.
So what happened, Big Bang, how? Above.

Thanks for reading those who read it, and tbh I don't see myself reading it because of it being so long, but again see ya!

Zootsuit_riot
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There is also the possibility that God just put the layer there.


Arguing the existence of a Creator while assuming His reality is a logical fallacy.
fourtytwo
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Arguing the existence of a Creator while assuming His reality is a logical fallacy.
Arguing the non-existence of a Creator while assuming He doesn't exist is also a logical fallacy.
No it is a thin red layer of rock in the crust you can see it in many sedimentary rocks at the same level all over the place.
Oh...kay....forget all that stuff I said then :P Is there only one layer of iridium?
Proof + Logic
Proof
Logic
Comparison
Any other stupidness
I don't see evolution having any of that except a ton of "other stupidness".
if you can't reach Heaven or Hell within Space then where is it?
If you want to argue about different realities, go do that in the thread that was made for that. I believe that Heaven and Hell are in another reality.
...spreading itself as "space" which is growing faster than the speed of light...
Space is not spreading at the speed of light. Ask Pixie or thisisnotanalt about that if you don't believe me.
Devious
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I say this again:

GOD USED THE BIG BANG TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE

fourtytwo
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GOD USED THE BIG BANG TO CREATE THE UNIVERSE
We can argue about the validity of the Big Bang theory if you want. You vs. me. You first.
Darkroot
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I think people like the idea of god creating the earth since its so easy to defend. All you have to say is "no, he put it there".

and for Devious THE BIG BANG CREATED GOD AND GOD IS THE UNIVERSE

Pixie214
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Is there only one layer of iridium?


I am having a bit of trouble finding that out to be honest. The KT boundary layer is so prominent it is clouding out any other results. More research is needed I fear. Though I will try to find out.

Space is not spreading at the speed of light. Ask Pixie or thisisnotanalt about that if you don't believe me.


It is impossible to go faster than the spped of light. Everyone knows the equation E=MC^2 (energy+ mass times the speed of light in a vacuum squared). Rearrange that a bit and you will see that the faster you get (more kinetic energy) you will gain weight. If you throw a baseball it will gain 0.000000000002g. So the faster you go the heavier you get and so the more energy it takes to go faster. at 90% the speed of light your ship or whatever is twice the mass as it was at rest. (hypothetically speaking your o.5 ounce watch now weighs 40 tons) Into relativity kind of stuff the faster you go the slower time goes. Your watch will tick once an hour not that you will notice becaase you have slowed down too.
Darkroot
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Ok keep it mind that the universe is expanding and the fact that the "vacuum" is expanding. Universe is a "growth" of the spacetime itself; this spacetime may move faster than the speed of light relative to some other location, as long as the two locations can't communicate with each other (or, in terms of light rays, these two parts of the Universe can't see each other). According to the theory of inflation, the Universe grew by a factor of 10 to the sixtieth power in less than 10 to the negative thirty seconds, so the "edges" of the Universe were expanding away from each other faster than the speed of light; however, as long as those edges can't see each other (which is what we always assume), there is no physical law that forbids it. Thefore the universe can expand faster than the speed of light. Also due to quantum entanglement two electrons can communicate between themselves instantaneously. But the basic law of nothing is faster than the speed of light is unbroken in both these circumstances.

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Big Bang or God?
First arguement, and probably one that'll easily finish the God Theory, or else the second will is that how do you know god exists, what if you're living off false courage, what IS you're proof? Huh? I don't think there is none as far as I can tell.
My second arguement is that just because the bible says you're made by god, Why would you believe it?


HAHAHA. I'm really sorry but that is just sad. You really call the first one &quotrobably one that'll easily finish the God Theory" and you call the second on an argument? XD
If you can come up with a legitimate argument, someone might take you serious enough to debate you....though after that i doubt it.

And btw, merely because its killing me..." if you can't reach Heaven or Hell within Space then where is it?" Heaven, Hell, and God all exist in infinity, a different realm than our finite one.
Yakooza99K
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My second arguement is that just because the bible says you're made by god, Why would you believe it?


Answer this, eyetwitch
NPOAP
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which would again certainly contradict the law of conservation of matter.


Well if God created the Universe he created that law, so:

A:He created this "law" after the creation of the Universe.
B:He said to hell with the law because he wanted a dam.n universe

So if he is real, and we are right and he is all powerful...you see what i am getting at?
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